Is it maybe time for a full infrastructure rebuild? (Re: Database and netcode issues)

[Rockette]

I just want to say the Glamour Toilet is being done badly. It's starting off on the completely wrong foot, almost like SE haven't listened to what anyone actually wanted to use a system like this for. Everyone asked for a log book, they gave us a city based retainer.

I don't know why they couldn't have just done something like the Gathering log which actually would have been fun to complete. Then, instead of owning all that stuff, they could have like, a Wardrobe Assistant that you order it in from once its been ticked off/handed in for your log. The "ensembles" are the sets they allow you keep on hand.

[Krotoan]

I just want to say the Glamour Toilet is being done badly. It's starting off on the completely wrong foot, almost like SE haven't listened to what anyone actually wanted to use a system like this for. Everyone asked for a log book, they gave us a city based retainer.

I don't know why they couldn't have just done something likethe Gathering log which actually would have been fun to complete. Then, instead of owning all that stuff, they could have like, a Wardrobe Assistant that you order it in from once its been ticked off/handed in for your log. The "ensembles" are the sets they allow you keep on hand.

Things people asked for that are being addressed:
Inventory space
different outfits for the same gear on different jobs.
Ease of use (I will argue this is much easier than finding my glamour item and getting a prism every time I upgrade any slot)


I don't think I've ever heard anyone say it needed to be fun. Not that it's not a valid concern, just I'd not heard that asked for.

Nobody knows why this is the particular direction was taken, which is a little frustrating. But it's a start in a direction I can see actually working very well once developed and tested. Someday we might find we have a glamour catalogue of 700+ slots and 30 outfits... for now we have 200 and 10. I'm Ok with this as a start, but only if it's a start and not a final solution.

[Kewitt]

Wait for there next ff mmos, ffxi has incredible bad net code but it also works over dial up.
Ffxiv was build onto of some off that net code for 1.x
And a lot of it is still there now.

Ffxiv has 5 years left in it before they ramp up for the next ff mmos hopefully they have learn what to take into the next one.

[Alleo]

I mean, no offense, buuuut....

If there's literally one game in the entire history of gaming that has proven it can survive a change like that...

And it's only going to get worse as they continue on the current infrastructure. A stitch in time saves nine, as they say.

It'll be less expensive in the long run to make these changes sooner rather than later, especially when every new system they add to the game between now and the inevitable change will need to be revamped to fit the new infrastructure as well.

Sadly SE seems to favor the short time changes..like putting band aids on things. (Housing, glamour..) There will be a time where people have enough of this and might go and when that day comes they wont be able to change it fast enough..So yes I agree with you, they need to start working on this now. I am no expert on this field so maybe I am wrong with this, but shouldnt it be just fine if they work on this in smaller steps?

Anyway I also find it really sad how technical side of this game is used in so many arguments..and I really fear that nothing will ever change with that. SE will just milk it as long as possible with the lowest cost and drop it after that..

[Krotoan]

I am no expert on this field so maybe I am wrong with this, but shouldnt it be just fine if they work on this in smaller steps?


Anyway I also find it really sad how technical side of this game is used in so many arguments..and I really fear that nothing will ever change with that. SE will just milk it as long as possible with the lowest cost and drop it after that.

You're asking for the equivalent of rebuilding a house by pulling out the foundation and replacing it and expecting people to be able to live in it at the same time.

The technical side is the problem. Would you rather they lie? If you think they're lying about the technical side do you think they're just lazy? How many people who work on this game do you think look at it and go.. "eh.. it's good enough. Milk it for money and let it die when people get sick of the lies".

[Ageofwar]

well I don't know a thing about the back end of the game but I would supect there is still some code from 1.0 still there.

if there wasn't they would not have been able to convert the database over with minium issues, otherwise the would have forced us to being again from level 1 on all jobs when 2.0 hit wether you are new or legacy player

[Gleipni]

I don't think this is feasible without going through 6 months + of no new content. They would basically have to halt content production and refocus everyone on porting to a new engine, new design, new everything. Game would die.

Hum...its already happening that SE give us no content for 6 month,so yeah they can use that time to do it

[Penthea]

You do realize that they kept 1.0 running for the entire time they were working on 2.0, up until they shut down 1.0 and switched over, right?

Yea and the XIV team basically had no time off for that period. They worked themselves into exhaustion and beyond. I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to do it again. Once is enough.

[Tridus]

I don't see 200 as being their final number though. This looks like an initial foray into their glamour idea with possible expansion as they see its impact. Yes it still has a limitation, but we aren't aware of what the "final cap" is. I remain optimistic about this particular feature and see it as a good start. I would LOVE a GW2 type solution for dyes and wardrobe with items being unlocked account wide and forever as long as you've touched something that used that model once, but that's a whole other system and would have to be coded in as such..

There's no reason to assume 200 isn't the final number, either. This is a new thing, they had the chance to do it right (having apparently abandoned the armoire), and what they came up with has what is an already low limit and will continue to feel lower as they keep adding more stuff to the game.

What restriction is in place on the backend that would necessitate a 200 limit right now that won't still exist in a year? None of us can answer that question, and until someone can, the idea that the limit is a temporary "new system" thing and not the actual limit is just optimistic speculation. With how restrictive SE is on server resources, I have a hard time finding anything to suggest we'll see that limit change in the medium term.

[Zeonx]

I know this, if they don't fix the lag cause I play on ps4 and I seen it effect my cousin on pc just as bad the stop go lag.
once 4.2 comes out and I reach and beat the content get few items then cancel sub and go play something else come back when new patch comes out.

I would stay and cap tomes and help others but I don't like the rubber band feeling and don't be like i'm sorry to hear that please give me internet provider and go do the port forward the numbers cause it don't work.

naming my pc don't work checking if firewall is working and virus protections services or whatever its all point to NTT there was no issues before the move.

You'd think I wouldn't lag cause I am closer to servers in cali but NOPE.