Is it maybe time for a full infrastructure rebuild? (Re: Database and netcode issues)

[TaranTatsuuchi]

You're asking for the equivalent of rebuilding a house by pulling out the foundation and replacing it and expecting people to be able to live in it at the same time.

The technical side is the problem. Would you rather they lie? If you think they're lying about the technical side do you think they're just lazy? How many people who work on this game do you think look at it and go.. "eh.. it's good enough. Milk it for money and let it die when people get sick of the lies".

If they're smart about it...

They should be able to work on a separate branch of the codebase and then fork it back in later.
Thus, working on new stuff while not affecting the live branch until they are ready to implement it...

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

If they're smart about it...

They should be able to work on a separate branch of the codebase and then fork it back in later.
Thus, working on new stuff while not affecting the live branch until they are ready to implement it...

They already do this, but they would have to basically remake the game, and add content, while remaking the game, making it compatible for both versions at the same time.

[Callinon]

They already do this, but they would have to basically remake the game, and add content, while remaking the game, making it compatible for both versions at the same time.

Not really. The database structure can be redesigned without affecting the live game if they're smart about it.

[Krotoan]

Not really. The database structure can be redesigned without affecting the live game if they're smart about it.

You have no idea how this works or what you're asking for. What you've said makes no sense.


Do you understand how demanding that would be?

[RichardButte]

Do you understand how demanding that would be?

Do you understand how much MORE demanding it's going to be after another 2-3 expansions when they decide they have no choice but to do it anyway?

[Krotoan]

Do you understand how much MORE demanding it's going to be after another 2-3 expansions when they decide they have no choice but to do it anyway?

so you think it's reasonable that they're asking for the team to work on not only a new game (in everything but actual name) , but content for the old game at the same time AND making it compatible with the new game? Just because it's "a little bit at a time"?

You who understood in the beginning that if this DOES happen it will require we get NOTHING new until the new version has been coded, tested, implemented and released?

If this is your position then I'm going to doubt your credibility or rationality.

They will NEVER do what this person has asked for. It's cruel to ask for, and anyone who thinks it's "what this game needs" is selfish and doesn't understand the amount of work and dedication that it asks of people.

[RichardButte]

It's cruel to ask for, and anyone who thinks it's "what this game needs" is selfish and doesn't understand the amount of work and dedication that it asks of people.

There are like 2-3 Star Trek episodes about this exact mentality: leaders of these societies that are all like "These people have lived here for thousands of years! It would be cruel to ask them to leave!"

Meanwhile a giant goddamn asteroid is a week away from killing everyone.

Maybe you need to re-read the OP, because it cites only the devs' repeated insistence on the fact that the database servers and infrastructure are woefully inadequate to implement nearly any addition to the game players request. It then continues to say that we, the players, would be fine with the devs taking the time they need to rebuild this infrastructure because it would mean smoother sailing in the long run.

Not sure how you take that and transform it into a demand that these issues be fixed...

Really, it's going to be a bigger problem for them than it is for the players. All I'm saying is I would be understanding if they needed to take a lot of time to fix it...

[Istaru]

They will NEVER do what this person has asked for.

I agree with this. If they are going to do this, it would be for a new game. They will not get enough of an ROI, if any, to justify it.

It's cruel to ask for, and anyone who thinks it's "what this game needs" is selfish and doesn't understand the amount of work and dedication that it asks of people.

I am going to respond separately to this part. As a person with a heart, I would care.

But...

I see things like this often, and it really is misplaced.

As paying customers, this is not our responsibility. If they do not have the necessary staff to run this product, we shouldn’t accept less for our money because someone else simply wants to keep more money for themselves. I think it is accepted as either true or mostly true that SE makes money from sales and subscriptions for this product.

How much profit they realize or want to realize from it aren’t our concerns. Only what they provide in return for our money.

Even more, it may do good to not poo poo the company and simply accept less, they could do the unthinkable. Hire more people to properly support their product and do the things they need to do that the game can flourish. Again, their problems, not ours.

Asking for something may not always lead to people being abused, sometimes it does the opposite.