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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
    It's not...optional, unless they start actually removing entire expansions worth of items from the game or something to that effect.

    If the database is THIS limiting to what they can and cannot do with the game, it's literally only a matter of time before they can go no further with it and need to do a full revamp anyway.

    Better sooner than later.
    In which there would be a new numbered FF MMO. It would be far easier to just focus on a new game during the other's end of life than rebuild it at this point. Since it's not at its end of life yet, why would they divert the resources to it?

    Also you can't compare this to wow. Blizzard works on a select few games. They have larger budgets and resources because of this. Square Enix is not just FFXIV. Square Enix has multiple teams working on multiple games. I feel they move alot of time, resources and cash inbetween all of their projects for better and for worse.

    Remember they revamped this game, but had little to no expectations of it succeeding. I think that's where a lot of the old coding and database issues stem from. Why pour money into something that could still largely fail like 1.0 did? Yes that decision is biting them in the butt now, but in the end, they did a good job with what they had for it to get this far.
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    The issue is they won't even fix the basic stuff like QOL changes, what makes you think they will overhaul the major part of the game? SE got burned on XIV, they're too busy funding other projects and the likes and give this game the scraps left over from the cash shop and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
    If the database is THIS limiting to what they can and cannot do with the game, it's literally only a matter of time before they can go no further with it and need to do a full revamp anyway.

    Better sooner than later.
    They more then likely won't do another full revamp, they already did one at a large cost revamping from 1.0. In the future once things reach a point where they can go no further, if anything they'll just let the game go the way XI did, take what they learned from here (hopefully) and work on their next MMO from the ground up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylis View Post
    They more then likely won't do another full revamp, they already did one at a large cost revamping from 1.0. In the future once things reach a point where they can go no further, if anything they'll just let the game go the way XI did, take what they learned from here (hopefully) and work on their next MMO from the ground up.
    I agree. They rebuilt 1.0 because it was a main title Final Fantasy game. Simply put, they did not want that blemish in the brand.

    Even with its limitations, this game is not a blemish on the Final Fantasy name.

    Before you get mad, I agree there are problems from the things you listed, I don’t see them redoing it again. Even if we complain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    I agree. They rebuilt 1.0 because it was a main title Final Fantasy game. Simply put, they did not want that blemish in the brand.

    Even with its limitations, this game is not a blemish on the Final Fantasy name.

    Before you get mad, I agree there are problems from the things you listed, I don’t see them redoing it again. Even if we complain.
    Oh I'm not mad at all ^.^, but yeah exactly like you said, they didn't want to, or even could not let 1.0 blemish the name and had a very short time to save things. A full rebuild from scratch wouldn't have worked in that light. Despite my own personal feelings of FFXIV I can't lie, for what they had to work with, they did okay. Yeah, all the complaining and requesting in the world is never gonna change that the very soul of this games coding is still the 1.0 engine. No matter what Yoshida's vision may be. Tanaka's vision will always be at the games root. It will never be remade. They'll just spend that funding to launch another MMO. One director/producer, one vision. Not two visions clashing forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    Before you get mad, I agree there are problems from the things you listed, I don’t see them redoing it again. Even if we complain.
    The game is eventually going to succumb to its own database limitations, and long before its life as an MMO has run its course.

    XIV could go on for well over another 10 years thematically, but it's not going to survive that long technically.

    Not only is the database going to continue to present a problem, but more and more features (like glamour logs) that become standard and even expected in MMOs are going to feel notably missing from XIV.

    For example, how long have they been promising some type of mobile device companion, now...? Even Destiny 2 has one of those, and it's more of a janky skinner box simulator than an MMO.

    I didn't make this post with the intention of saying, "YOU BETTER FIX YOUR STUFF!". I made it to establish that I, as a player, fully understand that a revamp like this will be necessary and I wouldn't fault them for doing it and to see who else would feel the same way.

    WoW's "glamour log" is, frankly, amazing (it actually makes collecting glamour in old content fun and enjoyable), and it makes the one they're rolling out now in XIV look awful by comparison. If it would mean no longer having to deal with half measures like the dresser that are also going to become outdated, I'd rather they just go ahead and do the revamp work they clearly need to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    FFXI is still adding new content and items with every patch (monthly). Also a lot of FFXI's "technical limitations" turned out to not really be limitations once the dev team stopped making excuses and started finding solutions.

    Maybe the OP is being a little dramatic, but their point is 100% on target. The number of times Yoshi P has come out and said they can't do some basic expansion of a particular in-game system after only 2 expansions is, frankly, alarming. Do you remember back in 2.0 when SE said your entire character data including all your retainers is sent to the server every 15 seconds and that's why they couldn't expand retainer storage? The number of cut corners and band-aids revealed in that statement alone made alarm bells go off in my programmer brain. And that was in 2.0. What happens in 7.0?

    The point is this needs to be addressed now while it's a manageable problem and not later when it's a behemoth of a problem.
    Exactly.

    It's like leaving a pile of dirty dishes in the sink: sure, SE may not have to deal with it right now, but letting it sit for too long means those dishes are going to attract bugs and mold.

    The issues with the database that we're seeing now are the flies circling the pile of SE's unwashed dishes. The longer they wait, the more awful it's going to be when they finally DO decide to clean them.
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    This is not going to happen. The game would have to be completely unplayable for them to basically start over from scratch. They didn't even do that after 1.0. They are going to continue to make improvements while the games operates, which will take time but is their best financial option. They would lose so much money if they shut down the game for that long to rebuild it. Financially that doesn't make any sense when the game is playable and they are making a profit. It always comes down to the bottom line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RukiaFae View Post
    They are going to continue to make improvements while the games operates, which will take time but is their best financial option. They would lose so much money if they shut down the game for that long to rebuild it. Financially that doesn't make any sense when the game is playable and they are making a profit. It always comes down to the bottom line.
    You do realize that they kept 1.0 running for the entire time they were working on 2.0, up until they shut down 1.0 and switched over, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Balipu View Post
    Well I'm no programmer but maybe the reason why wow can store glamour appearances and FFXIV can't is because wow has an ancient engine that retains some assets from the freakin WarCraft III engine. All that gear might not ammount to that many data,
    The issue has nothing to do with graphics but the number of items the database will allow each character to "own".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
    You do realize that they kept 1.0 running for the entire time they were working on 2.0, up until they shut down 1.0 and switched over, right?
    Yea and the XIV team basically had no time off for that period. They worked themselves into exhaustion and beyond. I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to do it again. Once is enough.
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    Well I'm no programmer but maybe the reason why wow can store glamour appearances and FFXIV can't is because wow has an ancient engine that retains some assets from the freakin WarCraft III engine. All that gear might not ammount to that many data,
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