Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
And no it's not due to the absence of parsers. I met plenty of bad players in WoW who had parsers. They didn't feel magically inspired to do their best, they just did the bare minimum that gave them a quiet life. Which sometimes wasn't enough in top tier content, and obviously it caused problems.
Improvement is one mere aspect of the pro parser player. It's accountability through and through that is the main draw. When players make that decision to not care about their performance, it lets others know and they can avoid them; those like-minded players can band together to "respect the content" and others can band together to "respect the team".

Well no, they're not. Average players play just fine. I mean, this is why they're called average. Not amazing but certainly acceptable.
You're implying that the player skill average is a normal distribution curve, we don't know for a fact.

IMO FF14's skill curve is probably a very front loaded bell curve, thus I'd suspect the average to be well below a player skill midpoint. I have no data to back this up, this is merely my opinion based on parsing this game since ACT came out and observing the numbers. Always welcome to discussion.

Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
Lemme ask you a question, why do we need the parser for?
The only 2 reasons i know is:
- "because i want to improve to the very last inch" and thats completely fine
- Because noob team in duty finder in PVE and i seek for excuses why i lose time with randoms.

The second one is absurd as it sounds, you do not expect from bunch of randoms any level of the play, if you are queuing up for solo activity whatever game you play you have to expect the worst. That or search for some guild/free company that plays nicely and together.
Doesnt matter if it is ESO, blade and soul, wow or FF xiv, random dps players contains everyone, from someone playing on a microwave with 5 fps to someone that plays like a dota playing AI doing no mistakes at all.
The only thing not fair it that, dps is much easier role comparing to the tanks or healers, and i believe they should be rewarded greater for the harder job, not making dps harder because thats practially impossible without backlash.
Sorry, not falling for your trap No matter how much I want to dismantle your statements and make you look even sillier, I won't fall for it again.

Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
But what they failed to acknowledge was that adding parsers to teh WIDER majority is going to substantially increase the rate of abuse proportional to the population.
Source? I'd love to read the dataset you analyzed to reach that conclusion.

Quote Originally Posted by Erik501 View Post
In duty finder? Accountable for what? It is a freaking game, you. Why are some people so obsessed with that? Don't you like how bad most of us poor mortals play in the duty finder? Good for you. Party finder is your tool. Use it, enjoy itl, and leave us poor mortals alone. See how easy it is?
Preface: You know, you lost the last iota of credibility you had by responding in such a childish and emotional manner. Should have just stuck to your viewpoint and defended it with reasonable analysis and examples or attempted to refute mine with a similar approach (which you failed miserably at, mind you).

I'm slightly disappointed you went with the "it's just a game" trope, I sincerely had hoped you had a better argument than something that's been dismantled time and time again.

It is a team game just like any recreational sport. That means you are responsible for your contributions. If you deliberately do things to make it more difficult for others there are consequences. That is why accountability is important. You're advocating that your singular "experience" is more valuable than others. Pro parser people are advocating for playing your best and making sure everything goes smoothly so everyone has a good time. It's people like me trying to do the most I can, to be the best I can be so that YOU can have a better experience.

And before you go on about "harassment this" and "harassment that", just stop. Harassment has nothing to do with parsing. It is it's own issue and has numerous current solutions in place to handle it.