An Alternative? to parsers..

[Erik501]

There is a reason to parse in every type of content. That is to hold people accountable.

In duty finder? Accountable for what? It is a freaking game, you. Why are some people so obsessed with that? Don't you like how bad most of us poor mortals play in the duty finder? Good for you. Party finder is your tool. Use it, enjoy itl, and leave us poor mortals alone. See how easy it is?

Mind citing your data that helped you arrive at that conclusion? Not anecdotal or feelings, actual hard data that supports your point. If you do not have it PLEASE refrain from stating it as a fact. Make sure you specify it is your opinion.

No data to cite, just an educated guess from my experience, not only in video games but in life as well. Did I fail to state that I was sharing my opinion in a forum where all everybody do is share their personal opinions as well? (sorry, to do this, but I have to include you as well in this group with the rest of us poor mortals, I hope that you don't mind it) Ooops, my bad then. Yes, I am only sharing my personal opinion, just like you. Happy now?

There is already a STAGGERING amount of tension in the playerbase.

Reading through your post, I wonder how that is possible (insert canned laughter here). I guess with a parser the tensions would dissapear all of the sudden, everybody would be in the stupid 95 percentile (even though it is absolutely impossible), nobody would ever have to mention the word wipe, the "tales from the duty finder" thread woould be buried behind pages and pages of posts of people congratulating each other for how good every player does thanks to the parser, there would be rivers of milk and honey...

I guess you get the point, don't you?

I was going to continue but I am tired, it's been a hard week at work (like, I mean, real work, you know? Not the game, no, just the real work you do to, you know? earn money so you can buy food and stuff like, I don't know, pay a subscription to a game to rest an disconnect from the tensions of the real life... that kind of stuff). But I will summarize with your last sentence:

FWIW, I can solo almost every single dungeon boss in SB. I do not need another damage dealer or a healer. That's how trivial these are.

That's the whole point, thank you. Like, really, thank you very much. Why the hell would anybody need a parser so desperately for such a trivial content.

[akaneakki]

In duty finder? Accountable for what? It is a freaking game, you..

Yeah thanks for spamming blizzard and not doing foul or fire aoe on trash. Thanks to the rdm doing jolt on 10 packs of mob when jolt doesn't aoe. Thanks for playing like you were afk, thanks for slowing the run because someone who just got back from work wanted to do the previous day expert roulette before reset. Thank you for not trying. Thank you for making it fun for yourself and not everyone else in the group. Thank you for playing this game like it was a solo game and no people are around you.

See how easy it is?

To click on scatter as rdm? Foul/flare/fire 2 as blm? Rockbuster instead of snap punch or demolish as MNK? 2 buttons instead of 4 on DRG for aoe? SMN clicking bane? SCH bane? Whm doing 2 holy on a big pack for mitigation to stun the mobs. Darn these gods demanding those button clicks, because we mortals have no fingers to click on them.

No data to cite, just an educated guess from my experience, not only in video games but in life as well. .

Since you experience in the games, show us some proof then.

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That's the whole point, thank you. Like, really, thank you very much. Why the hell would anybody need a parser so desperately for such a trivial content.

The whole point also was that the content is so damn easy, you need to only click 1-2 buttons to aoe in dungeons, but again, dark those gods for demanding such a hard task to click aoe buttons. I do agree you don't need to play like a super good player in dungeon, but clicking 2 buttons doesn't require you to be super good, it just looks like it because so many people simply can't. It's kinda sad when people go in expert and here goes my friend who only been playing for 2 months and they say his rdm is better than 90% of the rdm's in duties, because he actually aoe.

[thegreatonemal]

No I didn't lmao. Lets imagine they are 4 dps doing 4.5k opener okay? so 4,5 x4 = 18k. Now, lets pretend those guys you talked about are lower ilvl, so their dps is about 3.8k to 4k, so lets go with 3.8k x5= 19k dps.
Oh, that's 1k more dps than the group of 4, with lower damage from everyone but they have 1 more dps, if every dps was at 3.5k it still should be enough. Now, I might be wrong, but wasn't the diabolo gear ilvl 260? And most people had 260/270 shire gear. But since people was clueless on openers, that never happened, even with 6 dps. Hell, there was a pretty fun meme going around. The diadem weapon was ilvl 280 vs the 275 alexander one and I remember we had a DRG with it and he was doing 400-500 less than me and the stats on his weapon was 1 more WD and crit/det on it with some skillspeed. Funny how people think ilvl will make them great at the game, which is far from it.

lets not make up situation these things already happened. And you are wrong when zurvan came out the only people that had 270 gear were those who had cleared up to A11s it wasn't until 4-5 weeks that the catch up patch hit that gave out a piece of 270 gear a week. So most people doing zurvan were maybe full 260 shire with a few pieces of 24 man gear. min ilvl for that fight was 250 I believe. So yes lots of people were walking around in non optimized gear at the min ilvl requirement for that fight and the community was basically saying from day one of that fight coming out "skip phases or go home" so much to the point lots of people didn't even bothering learning the major mechanic of the fight.

Now during that safety net were there people who were at the ilvls necessary to skip sure and had 5 dps and still didn't yup and those people are terrible or were messing around on classes they can't play well and the catch up patch people raised in ilvl and were still bad because they don't know their rotations. That's why anyone who had some sense and wanted to skip soar set their pfs to ilvl 265 and went from there.

[akaneakki]

Now during that safety net were there people who were at t.

Making this short, but zurvan came out like 3 and half months after alex was out. So yes most people did have 260 shire gear, which is the buyable tomestone gear. People also could upgrade it in 24 man raid and get alt gear ilvl 260, so yeah, people did have that. Honestly I did more dps than most people being ilvl 255 smn, end of the whole run I was about 2.3k dps while the rest was around 1.7k and stuff being ilvl 265 etc. Like you said most people was 260 shire and that should be enough to do enough dmg. But god klnows why they cant.

In duty finder? Accountable for what? It is a freaking game, you. Why are some people so obsessed with that? Don't you like how bad most of us poor mortals play in the duty finder? Good for you. Party finder is your tool. Use it, enjoy itl, and leave us poor mortals alone. See how easy it is?
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I forgot to say:
In Duty Finder? Don't waste peoples time? It is a freaking game, you. What are some people so obsessed with wasting others time? Don't like how good most of us good players are in the duty finder and you want to waste others time? Good for you. Party Finder is your tool. Use it, enjoy itl, and leave us busy players alone. See how easy it is? "This will be a slow and lazy run so I can respect the content!

[Erik501]

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This is actually very funny. Are you worried I might waste your time doing something designed to, you know, waste time? How can we call that, meta-wasting time, I guess? lol. Here is the thing: you can't choose who you will be matched with in duty finder, can you? So, use it under your own risk. Do you want to choose who you will be matched with? Party finder is your tool. You can try to turn the tables as much as you want, but you know perfectly well that you are wrong in this. Why? Because you can't choose who you will get matched with in duty finder. No matter how much you try. You simply can't. It is a lost battle. You can get over it or not, but that's only your problem.

Regardless, I'm out of this debate, it's clear it won't take us anywhere, so it's pointless. Have fun... well, I mean, if your sense of fun is not to meta-waste time, please, use party finder, I would not be able to sleep well if I made you meta-waste time or whatever.

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Actually, now that I think about it. Why don't you ask for another duty finder, I mean, a duty finder with hard requirements, so that only those of you who can play extremely well can access to it. Oh, god, I would love to be able to play with other poor mortals who only want to have fun and don't give a crap about the meta-wasting time thing. Please, SE, create another duty finder. You may call it "Expert duty finder", or "Savage duty finder", or whatever you want to call it, and lock it behind some very hard requirements that people like me would never even bother to achieve. I think that's a great idea, win-win for everyone.

[Tridus]

In duty finder? Accountable for what? It is a freaking game, you. Why are some people so obsessed with that? Don't you like how bad most of us poor mortals play in the duty finder? Good for you. Party finder is your tool. Use it, enjoy itl, and leave us poor mortals alone. See how easy it is?

Dungeons & Dragons is a game too. Try taking this attitude into a party in that, just screw around with no effort and make everyone work harder to deal with you. See how well that works when the other players are sitting at the same table with you. (FYI: Poorly.)

If you're doing stuff with other people, there's a basic expectation that you will do your share. If you're arguing that you shouldn't be held to that expectation and deseve to be carried because reasons, try taking that attitude into real life groups and see how it goes.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

and you like everyone else seems to assume the soar thing was just bad players. Not entirely the case it was a gear issue most groups skipping soar had item levels ranging from 265-270 those were the people skipping soar.

Funny. I skipped it day one with a standard comp at 260. I also healed it at roughly the same ilvl. We also skipped. Meanwhile, I was apart of many 5-6 DPS parties that couldn't skip. Does gear make it easier? Absolutely. But you could skip at ilvl 250, provided you knew what you were doing. In fact, Xeno did an all-tank mock run and they pushed Zurvan to 77%. Not a skip but considering none of them broke 1,800, which any DPS job should by that point. Well...

Gear was very rarely the issue with skipping Soar. People simply don't know how to do openers. Granted, the game deserves a fair bit of blame as it teaches you nothing.

[akaneakki]

This is actually very funny. .

No, this is funny:

not only in video games but in life as well. .

You quote about some people irl and game being bad because parser put tension on players. Okay.Now, when you play, do you play by yourself or with others? I'm guess MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game So it's obvious people will play along on your side. Then look at this wonderful quote I put below me.

If you're doing stuff with other people, there's a basic expectation that you will do your share. If you're arguing that you shouldn't be held to that expectation and deseve to be carried because reasons, try taking that attitude into real life groups and see how it goes.

So, Erik501
I can go on the same coin towards you. If you want to sightseing in duty finder rather than clicking your aoe buttons, make a party finder then.

[Nedkel]

I don't know what game you think you're playing, but nobody cares about CC already. Utility and buffs are all DPS oriented, and people actively want them over jobs without them. Why? Little thing called enrage timers. Which are based on DPS.

Turns out making mechanics that require a certain amount of DPS to win causes players to prioritize DPS. Who knew?
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I am playing Paladin in FF14 and played tanks in other games as well.
Paladin statistically is not doing the greatest dps out there, yet is the most deff class oriented and has a lot of utility for entire team.
Would you imagine him getting dmg buff to do as much aoe damage as warrior?
Orienting entire game on DPS is a bad design and should be gone, it makes classes flat in playstyle.
Btw CC is still nice on trash mobs, it works wonders if you pull too much of them.

WoW is over 13 years old and is still by far the largest MMO on the market. If that's failure, sign me up for some failure. Also, what are you basing that number on? I sure hope it's not a Blizzard subscriber count compared to Warcraft Census count that I already debunked.

It doesn't, since none of those are subscription MMOs.
Almost like the market shifted and players moved on to different genres entirely. Shocking!
Yeah, it's 13 years old, the current expansion is basically done, and the new one doesn't have a release date yet. Not exactly an abnormal market pattern for MMOs.

Its still a market that shares the mostly the same customers. World of warcraft is losing ground under the feet despite it being so successful.
It could be the biggest, and by far the biggest when it comes in number of players active decrease. The games i have mentioned are old enough and fair in comparison to World of wacraft, did you see them losing numbers to the wow degree? no

New content will bring back some old playerbase, but if the game is doing so well, why does it lose so many in between the expansions? Maybe newbies are not attracted to the game? Why? Who knows, one of the reasons is community, thats for sure.

If you're playing a DPS job, doing 160 DPS in Rabanastre is an extremely clear indicator of someone's ability to play the game. Either that or an indicator of their desire to watch Netflix and get carried.

Kick them away, you could see if they use skills or not, its not "rocket science".

Except the tank here would get called out on poor performance. Why should DPS get a pass?

There is no justice in this world, also for a guys who call the tanks, because they could wait another half an hour for another tank to take his place, lol.

And where do you think the guides come from? The people making them first have to figure out what the optimal rotation is. They do that by using parsers.

The same way people from tera or SWOTR do.
The discussion is about the ingame supported parser, making it easy for everyone to use, not about the third party dps counting tool.
Maybe you are not calling people because of their poor performance, but believe me there are others who will call you even if you are playing different class and you do like 20% less dps. It does not support a good habits across community.

Would be cool if you said something of any substance here, but okay.

Its not me calling earth and skies because everyone in the universe is so bad and they need a parser to judge them. xD

Your definition of failure is very unique. There isn't a MMO developer on the planet who wouldn't trade places with Blizzard this second. SE included. WoW is the most successful MMO ever made by such a huge margin that nobody else is in the same league.

And the biggest playerbase lose of the gaming industry as well.

Someone playing badly in PBUG is going to just get themselves killed a lot, which is just fine. Someone playing badly on a CoD team is most definitely getting called out on it with language far worse than anything you'll find in XIV.

Never experienced a calling on poor performance on games like Rainbow six even on games like battlefield and etc. There is nothing be mad about in these games.
Do you want to bring world of warcraft experience into this game?
I dont, no thank you, the community there is super toxic, since its super easy to judge others by their average dps. Giving players a tool to judge others performance will lead the community into being more and more toxic, and it doesnt matter if someone is an ice mage or not, there will be situation where people will be called for poor dps even if their class is not good enough on it or their EQ is not good enough or have lags or whatever. There will be players called and there will undeserved calls and harassment. You could even see it on the blizzard forum, when someone is complaining, there is always someone bringing up something against the OP straight from the wacraft logs.

You dont want to take it into the consideration, not only people who are afking or spend time watching netfil pressing one button will be called but also ones who just dont know how to play, or doesnt have good eq because they play the class for first time. Tension will be spreaded between those who deserve and on those who doesnt.
Will you be able to judge someone who will do 30% less dps than you or even 40%? Will you call him a scrub? You may not, but if the tool would be widespread for community there will be undeserved calls and this will create toxic enviroment SE doesnt want to have in this game eot.

[Sebazy]

Btw CC is still nice on trash mobs, it works wonders if you pull too much of them.

I actually have to look at my bars to remember where Repose is now, it's been that long since I've used it =/

CC was massive in the betas and very early days of ARR, I'd routinely have 2/3rds of each pull slept so the DPS could focus stuff down one by one in lower level dungeons. With aoe now? If it's not a Holy stun, it's usually a waste of time.