An Alternative? to parsers..

[Bourne_Endeavor]

No, because raiders wanted to single heal zurvan to farm him, and you needed to skip soar to have the DPS to be able to do fast farm runs and be able to do so. You can do the mechanic if you practice it enough; but once people cleared they didn't want to practice it or do it the slow way; they wanted high dps and soar was an easy sign of it. It became a meme because of that; the JP actually didn't skip soar as their base strat and beat him fine.

Unlike some people, I actually participate in this content. The sheer amount of people who couldn't do Soar, let alone had the DPS to skip it, was staggering. Plenty of groups with five and even six DPS still couldn't skip. Zurvan demonstrated just how many people cannot perform a basic rotation. He literally did next to nothing prior to Soar. Negligible auto-attacks and telegraphed aoes. Anyone with knowledge of the fight and their job should have skipped Soar. The check to do so was incredibly lenient. Regardless, if people advertised a "Skip Soar" farm party and you join yet have nowhere near the DPS to adequately skip. Why are you there in the first place? You aren't entitled to farming birds because you want one. The group clearly labeled their expectations and you didn't meet them.

I'll acknowledge doing the actual mechanic wasn't a big deal, but the meme originated due to how easy skipping Soar was with decent players. Not orange, top tier raiders. Just players who could perform a proper opener, healers that actually turned on Cleric Stance and tanks that didn't hug their tank stance.

[thegreatonemal]

Unlike some people, I actually participate in this content. The sheer amount of people who couldn't do Soar, let alone had the DPS to skip it, was staggering. Plenty of groups with five and even six DPS still couldn't skip. Zurvan demonstrated just how many people cannot perform a basic rotation. He literally did next to nothing prior to Soar. Negligible auto-attacks and telegraphed aoes. Anyone with knowledge of the fight and their job should have skipped Soar. The check to do so was incredibly lenient. Regardless, if people advertised a

and you like everyone else seems to assume the soar thing was just bad players. Not entirely the case it was a gear issue most groups skipping soar had item levels ranging from 265-270 those were the people skipping soar.

[akaneakki]

and you like everyone else seems to assume the soar thing was just bad players. Not entirely the case it was a gear issue most groups skipping soar had item levels ranging from 265-270 those were the people skipping soar.

Bull. I sold zurvan with 7 players, and we had 1 tank 2 healers and 4 dps, we skipped soar, why the hell couldn't 5 dps skip it? The fact healers could leave cleric on until it dropped down, made them hit the thing hard. So, please explain why 4 dps could skip soar and not 5, go ahead, do it. If gear was the issue then why doesnt 1 extra dps make it skippable???

[thegreatonemal]

Bull. I sold zurvan with 7 players, and we had 1 tank 2 healers and 4 dps, we skipped soar, why the hell couldn't 5 dps skip it? The fact healers could leave cleric on until it dropped down, made them hit the thing hard. So, please explain why 4 dps could skip soar and not 5, go ahead, do it. If gear was the issue then why doesnt 1 extra dps make it skippable???

sold being the key word the people running were all above the item levels i just stated right? thanks for proving my point. Adding a 5fth just as week dps does nothing to push it and that's assuming of course if they know their rotations.

now if you were selling in full 250 gear or some mixed and matched 260 gear with 4dps and were still skipping soar then you might have a leg to stand on

[akaneakki]

sold being the key word the people running were all above the item levels i just stated right? thanks for proving my point. Adding a 5fth just as week dps does nothing to push it and that's assuming of course if they know their rotations.

now if you were selling in full 250 gear or some mixed and matched 260 gear with 4dps and were still skipping soar then you might have a leg to stand on

No I didn't lmao. Lets imagine they are 4 dps doing 4.5k opener okay? so 4,5 x4 = 18k. Now, lets pretend those guys you talked about are lower ilvl, so their dps is about 3.8k to 4k, so lets go with 3.8k x5= 19k dps.
Oh, that's 1k more dps than the group of 4, with lower damage from everyone but they have 1 more dps, if every dps was at 3.5k it still should be enough. Now, I might be wrong, but wasn't the diabolo gear ilvl 260? And most people had 260/270 shire gear. But since people was clueless on openers, that never happened, even with 6 dps. Hell, there was a pretty fun meme going around. The diadem weapon was ilvl 280 vs the 275 alexander one and I remember we had a DRG with it and he was doing 400-500 less than me and the stats on his weapon was 1 more WD and crit/det on it with some skillspeed. Funny how people think ilvl will make them great at the game, which is far from it.

[thegreatonemal]

No I didn't lmao. Lets imagine they are 4 dps doing 4.5k opener okay? so 4,5 x4 = 18k. Now, lets pretend those guys you talked about are lower ilvl, so their dps is about 3.8k to 4k, so lets go with 3.8k x5= 19k dps.
Oh, that's 1k more dps than the group of 4, with lower damage from everyone but they have 1 more dps, if every dps was at 3.5k it still should be enough. Now, I might be wrong, but wasn't the diabolo gear ilvl 260? And most people had 260/270 shire gear. But since people was clueless on openers, that never happened, even with 6 dps. Hell, there was a pretty fun meme going around. The diadem weapon was ilvl 280 vs the 275 alexander one and I remember we had a DRG with it and he was doing 400-500 less than me and the stats on his weapon was 1 more WD and crit/det on it with some skillspeed. Funny how people think ilvl will make them great at the game, which is far from it.

lets not make up situation these things already happened. And you are wrong when zurvan came out the only people that had 270 gear were those who had cleared up to A11s it wasn't until 4-5 weeks that the catch up patch hit that gave out a piece of 270 gear a week. So most people doing zurvan were maybe full 260 shire with a few pieces of 24 man gear. min ilvl for that fight was 250 I believe. So yes lots of people were walking around in non optimized gear at the min ilvl requirement for that fight and the community was basically saying from day one of that fight coming out "skip phases or go home" so much to the point lots of people didn't even bothering learning the major mechanic of the fight.

Now during that safety net were there people who were at the ilvls necessary to skip sure and had 5 dps and still didn't yup and those people are terrible or were messing around on classes they can't play well and the catch up patch people raised in ilvl and were still bad because they don't know their rotations. That's why anyone who had some sense and wanted to skip soar set their pfs to ilvl 265 and went from there.

[akaneakki]

Now during that safety net were there people who were at t.

Making this short, but zurvan came out like 3 and half months after alex was out. So yes most people did have 260 shire gear, which is the buyable tomestone gear. People also could upgrade it in 24 man raid and get alt gear ilvl 260, so yeah, people did have that. Honestly I did more dps than most people being ilvl 255 smn, end of the whole run I was about 2.3k dps while the rest was around 1.7k and stuff being ilvl 265 etc. Like you said most people was 260 shire and that should be enough to do enough dmg. But god klnows why they cant.

In duty finder? Accountable for what? It is a freaking game, you. Why are some people so obsessed with that? Don't you like how bad most of us poor mortals play in the duty finder? Good for you. Party finder is your tool. Use it, enjoy itl, and leave us poor mortals alone. See how easy it is?
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I forgot to say:
In Duty Finder? Don't waste peoples time? It is a freaking game, you. What are some people so obsessed with wasting others time? Don't like how good most of us good players are in the duty finder and you want to waste others time? Good for you. Party Finder is your tool. Use it, enjoy itl, and leave us busy players alone. See how easy it is? "This will be a slow and lazy run so I can respect the content!

[Bourne_Endeavor]

and you like everyone else seems to assume the soar thing was just bad players. Not entirely the case it was a gear issue most groups skipping soar had item levels ranging from 265-270 those were the people skipping soar.

Funny. I skipped it day one with a standard comp at 260. I also healed it at roughly the same ilvl. We also skipped. Meanwhile, I was apart of many 5-6 DPS parties that couldn't skip. Does gear make it easier? Absolutely. But you could skip at ilvl 250, provided you knew what you were doing. In fact, Xeno did an all-tank mock run and they pushed Zurvan to 77%. Not a skip but considering none of them broke 1,800, which any DPS job should by that point. Well...

Gear was very rarely the issue with skipping Soar. People simply don't know how to do openers. Granted, the game deserves a fair bit of blame as it teaches you nothing.

[thegreatonemal]

Funny. I skipped it day one with a standard comp at 260. I also healed it at roughly the same ilvl. We also skipped. Meanwhile, I was apart of many 5-6 DPS parties that couldn't skip. Does gear make it easier? Absolutely. But you could skip at ilvl 250, provided you knew what you were doing. In fact, Xeno did an all-tank mock run and they pushed Zurvan to 77%. Not a skip but considering none of them broke 1,800, which any DPS job should by that point. Well...

Gear was very rarely the issue with skipping Soar. People simply don't know how to do openers. Granted, the game deserves a fair bit of blame as it teaches you nothing.

Gonna call bs on that you were 260 when zurvan came out you didn't raid at all in creator? also teh fact the you killed him for the first time a few days after somehow i doubt if you were skipping soar in full 260 surly you would of had a clear. But that's as far as I'll go with that

[Sebazy]

Gonna call bs on that you were 260 when zurvan came out you didn't raid at all in creator? also teh fact the you killed him for the first time a few days after somehow i doubt if you were skipping soar in full 260 surly you would of had a clear. But that's as far as I'll go with that

In the meantime, progression raid teams were pushing him without even realising he did a Soar there =(

Pushing the first Soar was pretty effortless for most statics, but given that the rest of the encounter (As well as the Soar that follows) was a complete unknown at that stage, it's very believable that a group could skip and then fail to clear the rest of the fight. No MrHappy strats on day 1 remember!