An Alternative? to parsers..

[Reinha]

Practically a meme at this point, I swear...

Why do you think most people are clearing content? Because guides, strategies and rotations are being developed by people who parse then being distributed to the masses.

Quit playing so dumb.

The tool used to make those guides already exists. Guides are not a reason to implement another parser. This discussion was about implementing a new, official in-game parser or parser alternative and what Riyah said is correct in that context. Content is being cleared just fine without one.

[KaivaC]

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Once again, you are posting a worst case scenario situation. I love to call this fear mongering, but alas, that's just my opinion. The harassment about parsers has been acknowledged. Several times. In every. Single. Thread. The problem with anti parser posts like yours is that you over exaggerate how bad it'll be. It happens, yes. But not to the overwhelming extent that you are claiming. Truth be told, parsers should only be for ex and savage, and those players who don't participate in that content shouldn't really be giving their opinion on the first place since they don't participate in the content a lot of us want parsers for.

[Erik501]

Not sure if you saw what I wrote here and in othet similar threads, do you have any proof that people being harrased most of the time? I'm waiting, just asking if you do is all . Since you claim in most post it happens often, I'm excited to see the proof with screenshots too.

And I don't know if you have read the post you have just quoted, because there I basically explain what has already happened in other games, not in this one. You can choose to believe me or not, that's your call, but I can't offer you proof since I don't have a time machine.

[Erik501]

Once again, you are posting a worst case scenario situation. I love to call this fear mongering, but alas, that's just my opinion. The harassment about parsers has been acknowledged. Several times. In every. Single. Thread. The problem with anti parser posts like yours is that you over exaggerate how bad it'll be. It happens, yes. But not to the overwhelming extent that you are claiming. Truth be told, parsers should only be for ex and savage, and those players who don't participate in that content shouldn't really be giving their opinion on the first place since they don't participate in the content a lot of us want parsers for.

Well, you see, when a worst case scenario happens somewhere else, it becomes a worst case scenario that has actually happened somewhere else, you know? You can think that it would never happen here, that's your call, but it doesn't change the fact that it has already happened somewhere else.

[akaneakki]

And I don't know if you have read the post you have just quoted, because there I basically explain what has already happened in other games, not in this one. You can choose to believe me or not, that's your call, but I can't offer you proof since I don't have a time machine.

I have played Blade and souls, gw2, world of warcraft. Those games are heavy on parser. If you run a content where damage is needed, you gotta be good not bad. It's that simple.If you do high end content in ff14 expect the same, don't join if you don't know how to play. If we talk dungeons etc, then that's a whole another thing, nobody gives a damn there, unless the dps is bad enough to be low as the healer or tank or at the same amount. Yes I did read your post but again it's just bunch of people like certain people on this forum (check the other threads) where they talked about being kicked from a party due to a parser, yet there was NO proof in chat. Then people find out the person spreading lies is actually not that good player either, in fact they way they play have no space in savage content. In blade and soul nobody, and I mean like nobody whos super bad will do raids there. In FF14 people go around think't is fine to be bad and do content. Hey just because you sub the game doesn't give you the right to access all content as everyone else? When you buy a game, you have to get to a certain check point etc, in a MMO teamplay is part of the checkpoint, you do the content together and work as a team. 1 guy doing as low as 30-40% than the rest isn't team effort, that's just a selfish player wanting everything without effort. while the rest works hard.

Also many players say it happens in FF14, so I did kinda asumed you talked about FF14 as well. You know when I played wow, I never ever got accused for anything, even when my damage was low, I was aware of it and everyone knew. I had to improve which i did, in FF14 people aren't aware of it and once we say a simple thing as; change rotation a bit it will help, I'm suddenly a toxic elitist brat as many call it.

Let me ask you this, you do savage? If not, why would it matter to you if parser happens or not? Second, if you do savage, you find out (lets say they did use a parser) and you are a DPS and doing as much as a tank, what would you think then? Is it acceptable doing lower than a tank or as much? or would you think you have to improve?

Another edit: Some people think when they get told that they need to improve is harrasment, because they can't do the content with the group, because they don't put enough effort, this happens often and you know what? Telling someone to improve isn't harrasment.

[RiyahArp]

I don't even think its about needing a parser. Its really about being able to kick when using one. If SE just said "we wont ban based on complaints about dps" watch the parser talk dry up instantly. because most people probably wouldn't even use the official parser if they made one

Once again, you are posting a worst case scenario situation.

The one thing that would make me pause about this was "skip soar."That was a pretty nasty time, and given how much of this game is individual encounters all it would take is one or two to set the playerbase off. Remember people fleeing to Gilg in order to get clears for Creator, too. Then again, I don't trust people in groups much at all; just as individuals they do ok.

Let me ask you this, you do savage? If not, why would it matter to you if parser happens or not? Second, if you do savage, you find out (lets say they did use a parser) and you are a DPS and doing as much as a tank, what would you think then? Is it acceptable doing lower than a tank or as much? or would you think you have to improve?

If you have to use a third party program to get accurate feedback on how you are doing, let alone play the job "correctly" enough to beat raiding content, the game has failed in its design. The whole DPS check thing is crappy game design too, there just to put an artificial, obscured time limit to prevent instances from being overbooked and to punish zombying. As for doing less than a tank, I could tell with no parser, because generally if you try and do less, you are dead incredibly often. You don't do that much less if you try and understand the mechanics. For savage I only started doing it in SB out of sheer boredom, and had O1s and Susano ex clears as healer. I don't bother farming it, because healing neither is like pulling teeth compared to dps and tanking.

[KaivaC]

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Ah...so basically, you're assuming it's gonna happen here because it happened somewhere else, right? First off, I don't understand why you are even making noise about this in the first place, considering that you have admitted that you don't even do Savage/Ex, and we are asking for parsing for those particular runs, and only that. Can worst case scenario happen? Possibly, because people are assholes behind a computer screen. But you're saying it is guaranteed to happen - which it may not, especially with restrictions, with how finicky SE already is with damage numbers, and with more of the upstanding community who don't have a problem warning their servers or datacentres about potentially toxic individuals.

[akaneakki]

I don't even think its about needing a parser..

Do you know why skip soar was a thing? Because people couldn't do the mechanic. Look at people who are way behind on raids, they usually have highest current ilvl to try beat them, because mechanic skips and enrage timer. Then you have people who delay as much as 1-2 patches later to try beat it and yet they can't becuse mechanics are in the way, people will ALWAYS think ilvl etc will help you skip certain mechanics, which it can provide with, but to a certain degree. You need to know how to play and that's how it works. Most groups I reached soar with could never even do the mechanics right so everyone wanted to skip it.
You see it everywhere in PF. ''High dps only'' sets ilvl 334 for shinryu extreme and their dps is weaker than a guy whos ilvl 225. Many players are delaying on content or waiting for highlvl just because they can't do mechanics, so skipping as much as they can always been a thing.

[KaivaC]

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To add onto this, there are still lvl 70 DPS players who are in ilvl320 gear who are utterly unable to skip soar in an unsynced run against Zurvan. If it's a full party of 8, with 4 ilvl 320 DPS, and those four cannot push out enough damage to skip soar, it's a huge, huge problem and it's totally on those players. And the sad thing is, they don't see nothing wrong with what they're doing. I know this because I encountered this very issue when trying to unlock my mentor roulettes a couple months back.

[Erik501]

First off, I don't understand why you are even making noise about this in the first place, considering that you have admitted that you don't even do Savage/Ex, and we are asking for parsing for those particular runs, and only that.

Well, you see, I will make noise about this in the first place because I have the right to do so. You can like it or not, that's your call. If you want to challenge my opinion with arguments that's fine. If you want to challenge my right to share my opinion then I have only one question for you: Who the hell do you think you are?

And for the savage/ex thing, I have already said that I don't care if they implement parsers there. Just not in duty finder.