An Alternative? to parsers..

[Gelesto]

Shower thought.

This isn't kindergarten, we don't need stickers telling us all how good we did.

The point of the parser is to give you the cold hard data so you know what happened. Giving everyone participation trophies with these rankings only serves epeen stroking.

This also does ziltch for theroycrafting purposes.

This is an alternative idea to parsers, top raiders and the like will ofcourse still want/use parsers but for the general populace it can serve the same idea and keeps it in line with SE's way of doing things to help with inclusion and help those that underperform strive for that higher rank

[thegreatonemal]

This is an alternative idea to parsers, top raiders and the like will ofcourse still want/use parsers but for the general populace it can serve the same idea and keeps it in line with SE's way of doing things to help with inclusion and help those that underperform strive for that higher rank

Again what is under preforming? and not just in the extreme cases like the blm only using ice spells the entire dungeon. How do you look at a dps and say that guy right there is under preforming?

[Gleipni]

Again what is under preforming? and not just in the extreme cases like the blm only using ice spells the entire dungeon. How do you look at a dps and say that guy right there is under preforming?

one of the easiest way to see people performance is the tiem you take in dungeon,with a great group,last dungeon take 12/13min to do,with a good group 20min and when people are "underperforming" it take 25/30min,i can see already "oh for 5 min dont complain"
now to the calculus 12/13 spend more in dungeon,everyday just for expert roulette for 1 month,you already have 360 min(6hour) in the month you spend more in dungeon,now,imagine ALL roulette everyday for 1 month,and you will understand why some people try to rush like crazy in it,because for me,sparing 10/15 hour of playtime doing something else than brainless dungeon, is a lot of comfort.

[thegreatonemal]

one of the easiest way to see people performance is the tiem you take in dungeon,with a great group,last dungeon take 12/13min to do,with a good group 20min and when people are "underperforming" it take 25/30min,i can see already "oh for 5 min dont complain"

how do you know that is under preforming and not just a gear issue. by in large most of my dungeons take 12/13 minutes and i've been playing the game for 3 years and i nearly pug every single one when they take longer its generally because we have new players first timers or someone had to go afk.

oh and where are you getting the 12-13 minute mark as a good dungeon run from. I'm trying to get you all to see something here.

[akaneakki]

how do you know that is under preforming and not just a gear issue.

Because I've witness plenty of times where ive done more as 320 vs 340.

[thegreatonemal]

Because I've witness plenty of times where ive done more as 320 vs 340.

And? Did you still clear the dungeon do the you remember the specifics?

The point I'm making is that your, standards my standards and that guy lurking this posts standards don't matter.

And lets stop being cute shall we no one cares about dungeons people parse in them just to make fun of other people or to justify that DF sucks yet I've not seen a single dungeon log uploaded to fflogs as long as your doing your rotation correctly in savage and extreme trials even ultimate you'll be fine and the only reason one would need a parser is if they are looking to optimize to improve their kill time and that's really the only place that it applies. and before anyone says it helps point out flaws in dps for progression unless your group is preforming all of the mechanics flawlessly and no one dies and you still hit the hard enrage then its a dps issue

[Hruodig]

And? Did you still clear the dungeon do the you remember the specifics?

I'd argue that clearing the dungeon is a pretty damn low standard to set. At this point I just accept that I'm most likely going to out dps almost any df dps I get in a dungeon queue, and more often than not I'm right. Why is that ok?

[DeaconMoore]

This is an alternative idea to parsers, top raiders and the like will ofcourse still want/use parsers but for the general populace it can serve the same idea and keeps it in line with SE's way of doing things to help with inclusion and help those that underperform strive for that higher rank

It really doesn't though. Without seeing the actual numbers you don't really know why your rank is different between runs nor will you see any improvement or degradation if you keep hitting s rank in your example with changing gear or melds.

All this idea accomplishes is epeen stroking with participation trophies handed out at the end.