An Alternative? to parsers..

[Erik501]

Yeah uhm... I'm all for this and everything, but I still think the vast majority of people who are against parsers, are actually against it because they don't want to be held accountable for how much they might potentially be SUCKING. All that talk about how it would make players "more toxic" is just a cover argument.

Alternatives to parsing are nice. But in the end there's really only two types of players - those who care about how much damage they're doing, and those who don't. And in the latter group you will find those who are worried other people might find out how BAD they are. Or in this case, it's the actual GAME telling them they need to step things up. They don't want that. They don't want to improve. That is the only reason to oppose personal damage parsers or any other variant.

Oh, really? Gosh, I thought I was playing FFXIV...

Let me answer to you with your same style, ok?

In the end, there's really only two types of players - those who feel entitled to decide who is good and who is bad according to their own stardards because... reasons..., and those who don't. And in the first group you will find people who are worried other people might not find out how GOOD they are, and so they desperately need a parser so everybody else will have to kneel before them because of how extremely awesome they play.

Fair enough?

[Gleipni]

Oh, really? Gosh, I thought I was playing FFXIV...

Let me answer to you with your same style, ok?

In the end, there's really only two types of players - those who feel entitled to decide who is good and who is bad according to their own stardards because... reasons..., and those who don't. And in the first group you will find people who are worried other people might not find out how GOOD they are, and so they desperately need a parser so everybody else will have to kneel before them because of how extremely awesome they play.

Fair enough?

it does not make any sense,When will people understand,in the end game,you need to play good,there is no "but im just here for fun i dont care of the rest" or "suck i pay it so i play as i want",you need a parser to know if you're doing good or bad,the end,why does people find it so revolting to asses if someone is good or bad ?

[thegreatonemal]

it does not make any sense,When will people understand,in the end game,you need to play good,there is no "but im just here for fun i dont care of the rest" or "suck i pay it so i play as i want",you need a parser to know if you're doing good or bad,the end,why does people find it so revolting to asses if someone is good or bad ?

Play good? What does that mean truly. Last time I checked for most endgame content you have about 12-13 minutes to kill whatever is is you are fighting weather you take 13 minutes or 9 minutes doesn't really matter. So I'll ask again what does play good mean?

Let me answer that for you: Its different for everyone, and no ones answer actually matters as long as its within the enrage timer of a particular fight.

question to everyone else Why are you all so hellbent on wanting a parser? It can't just be for self improvement. As it stands now if you've read a guide and are doing your rotation correctly and using all your ogcds on cooldown your doing fine for every single piece of content in this game. The only improvement from there is better aligning things within the context of a fight just for the sake of killing it a little faster which is the entire reason for FFlogs existing.

[akaneakki]

Fair enough?

I've honestly waited for months where people say harrasement on a daily basis happens in game because of parser, so I'm still waiting. I mean waiting for proof.

[KaivaC]

I've honestly waited for months where people say harrasement on a daily basis happens in game because of parser, so I'm still waiting. I mean waiting for proof.

It really makes me wonder, however, with as many folks claiming harassment over parsers, and yet no one has really brought forward a screenshot to prove their argument. 'I don't need proof, it happened in every other MMO, it'll happen here', or, 'Just trust my word'.

We all remember the last person that tried to claim this, and got called out on it for outright lying. Actually have not seen that person since being called out, surprisingly.

[akaneakki]

We all remember the last person that tried to claim this, and got called out on it for outright lying. Actually have not seen that person since being called out, surprisingly.

Ah yeah, I'm still waiting for proof, going to ask some people, because I'm honestly tired of those ''it happens all the damn time'', yet to see anything.

[KaivaC]

Ah yeah, I'm still waiting for proof, going to ask some people, because I'm honestly tired of those ''it happens all the damn time'', yet to see anything.

Maybe I'll do a little social experiment...I'll just go 50% on something easy, like O2S, and see what is said. I honestly want to see these supposed claims of harassment.

[BluexBird]

Maybe I'll do a little social experiment...I'll just go 50% on something easy, like O2S, and see what is said. I honestly want to see these supposed claims of harassment.

Oh, it happens. I see it from time to time. The only time it bothers me is when they expect high levels of play. Like... 3000-3500 DPS doesn't bother me, but you will sometimes get people complaining that they aren't doing over 4000. Like dude... chill please or go make a speedrun party. lol

Now often during farm parties, I'm used to seeing DPS drop below 3000 and that's often fine most of the time. Unless I notice we aren't gonna beat enrage, I don't say anything. And I think that's how it should be.

[SenorPatty]

Maybe I'll do a little social experiment...I'll just go 50% on something easy, like O2S, and see what is said. I honestly want to see these supposed claims of harassment.

You're not gonna find any. Anyone who uses a parser is aware of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy so no one's going to hang themselves out to dry by announcing it in a pug setting. By that same turn, that's also why someone gets silently kicked or the party disbands and the bad player can't return to the party via blacklist. That's where the claims come from. They can't prove with hard evidence that they got kicked because of bad parse. They can only strongly guess that's the reason but this begs the question: if you got kicked without any jeer whatsoever, why call it harassment?

[Tridus]

You're not gonna find any. Anyone who uses a parser is aware of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy so no one's going to hang themselves out to dry by announcing it in a pug setting. By that same turn, that's also why someone gets silently kicked or the party disbands and the bad player can't return to the party via blacklist. That's where the claims come from. They can't prove with hard evidence that they got kicked because of bad parse. They can only strongly guess that's the reason but this begs the question: if you got kicked without any jeer whatsoever, why call it harassment?

Yep. And I'm failing to see why that's better. Silently kicking people and leaving them no apparent reason as to why is less "toxic" than telling them exactly why so they can work on it?

Doesn't make much sense to me.