Quote Originally Posted by Gleipni View Post
one of the easiest way to see people performance is the tiem you take in dungeon,with a great group,last dungeon take 12/13min to do,with a good group 20min and when people are "underperforming" it take 25/30min,i can see already "oh for 5 min dont complain"
how do you know that is under preforming and not just a gear issue. by in large most of my dungeons take 12/13 minutes and i've been playing the game for 3 years and i nearly pug every single one when they take longer its generally because we have new players first timers or someone had to go afk.

oh and where are you getting the 12-13 minute mark as a good dungeon run from. I'm trying to get you all to see something here.