An Alternative? to parsers..

[Nedkel]

I actually have to look at my bars to remember where Repose is now, it's been that long since I've used it =/

CC was massive in the betas and very early days of ARR, I'd routinely have 2/3rds of each pull slept so the DPS could focus stuff down one by one in lower level dungeons. With aoe now? If it's not a Holy stun, it's usually a waste of time.

Stunning a trash mob/lesser boss and stopping them from aoe feels really nice. :P
I am using shield bash all the time, its my last hope button and saved me many times as a PLD.

[SenorPatty]

In duty finder? Accountable for what? It is a freaking game, you. Why are some people so obsessed with that? Don't you like how bad most of us poor mortals play in the duty finder? Good for you. Party finder is your tool. Use it, enjoy itl, and leave us poor mortals alone. See how easy it is?

Good god...you're the voice of all those terribad people in the "Tales of DF" aren't you? You're the voice for the healer who won't help his co-healer in a trial. The voice for the blm who ice mages his way trhough content. The voice for the tanks who think convalescence is the only "mitigation" skill needed when they're mass pulling. The voice for the SMN who can't be bothered to dot his targets...

and most importantly, you validate all their horrific responses when called out on it. All because as long as someone else picks up your slack, its "just a game".

Un-belie-vable. Just amazing.

[Nedkel]

Dungeons & Dragons is a game too. Try taking this attitude into a party in that, just screw around with no effort and make everyone work harder to deal with you. See how well that works when the other players are sitting at the same table with you. (FYI: Poorly.)

If you're doing stuff with other people, there's a basic expectation that you will do your share. If you're arguing that you shouldn't be held to that expectation and deseve to be carried because reasons, try taking that attitude into real life groups and see how it goes.

Yeah thanks for spamming blizzard and not doing foul or fire aoe on trash. Thanks to the rdm doing jolt on 10 packs of mob when jolt doesn't aoe. Thanks for playing like you were afk, thanks for slowing the run because someone who just got back from work wanted to do the previous day expert roulette before reset. Thank you for not trying. Thank you for making it fun for yourself and not everyone else in the group. Thank you for playing this game like it was a solo game and no people are around you.

But would you be happy to wait additional 10 minutes in the queue, due to the low playerbase issues and less people playing a tank or a healer?
With parser available for everyone, those 2 roles will get increased attention and pressure as well as dps role, because why they shouldnt?
Oh you are a paladin and does 5% of the entire team dps, because you are pulling large amount of mobs and your aoe is non existent or your team is overpowering your enimity and need to spam flash? Get called.
Your tank is a soft noodle and you dont have MP to waste it for dps? You will get called.


With parser so easy to use and supported by SE, there will be people who will use it just to harass mindlessly others because of their dps.
You guys are so worried about the others who afk or spam one button, but forget about those who just cant do that well for various reasons, and they will get harassed more often than those who doesnt care.
You will create a solid ground with in game parser for those seeking excuses, the biggest toxicity victims will be those who doesnt play well or are new to the game or class.

[Melichoir]

So long as you can measure other players, you will get a hierarchy. And in hierarchies, there will be those who dump all over people below them.

If you add an in game parser, you will get people who will measure the worth of other players by DPS, or HPS. And they will dump all over other players. See the argument I dont get most for adding an in game parser is itll help people who want to improve. The thing is people who want to improve read teh guides and go get the parsers. People who do not care and just want to experience the game, theyre not going out to get parsers. But if you give them one, dont expect them to change their mindset and want to get better all of a sudden. Expect them to use it as a means of measuring other people by the standards the top tier players use. The only difference is Top tier players understand the standard and tend not to berate people over it. The casual base wont understand that.

[thegreatonemal]

Funny. I skipped it day one with a standard comp at 260. I also healed it at roughly the same ilvl. We also skipped. Meanwhile, I was apart of many 5-6 DPS parties that couldn't skip. Does gear make it easier? Absolutely. But you could skip at ilvl 250, provided you knew what you were doing. In fact, Xeno did an all-tank mock run and they pushed Zurvan to 77%. Not a skip but considering none of them broke 1,800, which any DPS job should by that point. Well...

Gear was very rarely the issue with skipping Soar. People simply don't know how to do openers. Granted, the game deserves a fair bit of blame as it teaches you nothing.

Gonna call bs on that you were 260 when zurvan came out you didn't raid at all in creator? also teh fact the you killed him for the first time a few days after somehow i doubt if you were skipping soar in full 260 surly you would of had a clear. But that's as far as I'll go with that

[Sebazy]

Gonna call bs on that you were 260 when zurvan came out you didn't raid at all in creator? also teh fact the you killed him for the first time a few days after somehow i doubt if you were skipping soar in full 260 surly you would of had a clear. But that's as far as I'll go with that

In the meantime, progression raid teams were pushing him without even realising he did a Soar there =(

Pushing the first Soar was pretty effortless for most statics, but given that the rest of the encounter (As well as the Soar that follows) was a complete unknown at that stage, it's very believable that a group could skip and then fail to clear the rest of the fight. No MrHappy strats on day 1 remember!

[thegreatonemal]

In the meantime, progression raid teams were pushing him without even realising he did a Soar there =(

Pushing the first Soar was pretty effortless for most statics, but given that the rest of the encounter (As well as the Soar that follows) was a complete unknown at that stage, it's very believable that a group could skip and then fail to clear the rest of the fight. No MrHappy strats on day 1 remember!

no one ever said that raid geared people could as they out geared the fight from day one. The point she brought up was that you could skip soar with the base tombstone gear and that is just not true

[cheolsu]

i suggest Marjorie Parser. in the monk ex dungeon, marjorie says arbuda is used as a speed test for monks. she will actually tell you how fast you were after the fight. i suggest marjorie be an option for any instances, and she can give advice after a wipe, like, "that tank needs to use cooldowns," or, "your healer isn't dps'ing", or "that monk needs to forget about his positionals and do the damned mechanics". and it won't be harassment, because npc

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Gonna call bs on that you were 260 when zurvan came out you didn't raid at all in creator? also teh fact the you killed him for the first time a few days after somehow i doubt if you were skipping soar in full 260 surly you would of had a clear. But that's as far as I'll go with that

I did, albeit with a upstart group, and were new to raiding in FFXIV myself. My group at the time didn't skip immediately but we did skip well before actually clearing A12S. You're severely overestimating the DPS check regarding Soar. Another factor to keep in mind is many PFs had five DPS and still couldn't skip. There is no excuses there.

[akaneakki]

But would you be happy to wait additional 10 minutes in the queue, due to the low playerbase issues and less people playing a tank or a healer?

Do you really think people will play healer and tank less if a parser was going to happen? Really? No it wouldn't. It would probably be the same or some people would actually open their eyes when it comes to healing and tanking. An average non dps healer is idle about 23-26% of a whole dungeon. If you small pull they idle even up to 35-38% of a dungeon. The biggest victims will still be those who try to let others improve or try to help others, just like now. We have people not willing to try in any duty, expert, raids and primals, so we are punnished by struggling the clear because someone decides not wanting to improve. If a tank is a soft noodle then the parser will say it, because it will say how often he used the cds. Also why would PLD spam flash? You do maybe 1 then you spam the hell out of total eclipse. I rarely see PLD doing that and there is no reason not to.

Gonna call bs on that you were 260 when zurvan came out you didn't raid at all in creator? also teh fact the you killed him for the first time a few days after somehow i doubt if you were skipping soar in full 260 surly you would of had a clear. But that's as far as I'll go with that

Heard about alt classes? I had 270 drg but a 255 smn.