/Accuse @ the devs: have you set us up to fail...?

[MoroMurasaki]

It's not that hard for regular players to do at least that, even back during the initial 4.0 patch.

Exactly this. As a non-raider I've loved Shinryu from the start because of how it felt more like a fight and less like waiting to win against a boss that can't beat you.

That didn't make it bad but it did make it more difficult (well, difficult at all) for players who have stumbled through the last two years of content unopposed and unlearning simply because laziness and ignorance haven't been penalized.

[KaivaC]

Exactly this. As a non-raider I've loved Shinryu from the start because of how it felt more like a fight and less like waiting to win against a boss that can't beat you.

That didn't make it bad but it did make it more difficult (well, difficult at all) for players who have stumbled through the last two years of content unopposed and unlearning simply because laziness and ignorance haven't been penalized.

Agreed. I was completely casual until Shinryu, when I decided I wanted a real challenge. Honestly, my first wake up call was really The Final Steps of Faith. And I fought him in 3.56, when most players were running in 260-270 gear. Still took me a few times because of mechanics, and I was a monk at the time.