/Accuse @ the devs: have you set us up to fail...?

[Deithwen]

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I am not saying it will solve every problem or make them better. But I'd take anything that can make those runs even a tiny bit faster. I also believe that every content at level 70 should be gated behind job quests, and leveling dungeons should have a minimum requirement. I also think that minimum average item level is not enough, and we should have something like every piece of gear > a certain ilv (say if you want to get in post HW content, every piece must be at least 255 for example).

I personnally would go a lot further than that, if someone is too lazy to read a tooltip or gear up properly not to be a burden, or even unlock their skills, they shouldn't be allowed to continue further until they fix their flaws.

[KaivaC]

Verflare is level 68, only Verholy is 70. Potency are the same, just the procs are different on execution, though that is not much of a DPS loss.
So if you see someone slacking off at using Verflare, then you can be sure Verholy won't see much use, either.

That is partially why threads like these come up...stuff like this. Not much of a DPS loss = DPS loss, period.

[AxlStream]

"Set up to fail"? This is just ridiculous. You set up your own failures by not understanding what SE expects from you. Especially now with the SB leveling dungeons which are basically a crash course of how to function as a party. If you can't figure out a rotation have you tried, oh I dunno, reading the tooltips and properly understanding your abilities and your job? Warriors are obviously dependent on their Berserk windows for damage so plan Beast Gauge usage in consequence. Machinist needs to optimize Wildfire damage. Monk needs to keep buff and debuffs going while switching stances. All this should give you a pretty good indicator of what you should be doing. Don't blame SE because they thought you could actually take a moment to figure out how to play.

[Ametrine]

Yet, I had a newbie (week into the game) ask me why and, if so, when he should start playing under WHM as CNJ had 10 role skill slots verses 5.
It wasn't hard to explain, but at level 35, those 10 slots look better than what little a WHM can access differently from CNJ.

Job quest given spells aren't listed under "actions."

(That might be a contributing factor to the small population of players that never get their job crystal popping up in later content. Some are obvious trolls, but others are very much misinformed.)

[Cakekizyy]

Yet, I had a newbie (week into the game) ask me why and, if so, when he should start playing under WHM as CNJ had 10 role skill slots verses 5.
It wasn't hard to explain, but at level 35, those 10 slots look better than what little a WHM can access differently from CNJ.

Job quest given spells aren't listed under "actions."

(That might be a contributing factor to the small population of players that never get their job crystal popping up in later content. Some are obvious trolls, but others are very much misinformed.)

Don't they show up if you reached that level in potd though?

[Ametrine]

Don't they show up if you reached that level in potd though?

He's not entered PotD?

[Lelila38]

Come on... anyone that has ever played a game with classes in it shouldnt have to be "told" to unlock the better/best things their class has to offer. Hell, even if u take the time to look at your "Actions" it is pretty clear your job quest is a good place to look if you havent unlocked all of them.

That may be true for you and me, but there are players out there, who have never played a rpg before, let alone online.
And there are those, who are just too lazy to deal with their class specifics. Hell, if people can't even be bothered to read their tooltips, how would you expect these people to run quests that are not main story and don't gate anything?
So, yes, I do think the game should be more explicit about the importance of job skills and lock max level content behind completion of your job. It's not like this is hard to do, but at least it would assure that max lvl players have their full kit before going into max lvl content.