Question to players

[KaivaC]

This. Silver and Gold players can go to hell. Even if bronze improve to higher rank (=learned), how long does it take when we'll see third party site calculating (read that: hogging) characters from lodestone or input from ACTs and start grouping by how fast they learn? This is the mob mentality, it doesn't matter what sort of rankings you have.

To add to this, let's just say we did have a system like that. Silver and Gold players get into a rhythm in Expert Roulettes, expect certain things to happen on their runs. Then they go out into doing the normal roulettes, where a majority of the Tales from the Duty Finder come from...it generally would not end well. In a way, we have this already between hardcore/midcore/casual, but it might just become a bit more pronounced with the system. We already have a contentious issue with parsing - the system would be subject to similar heated discussions.

[Myrhn]

This doesnt make any sense.

[AxlStream]

I'd be down for it but maybe that's because I'd probably be in higher-mid ~ high end of the spectrum.

[Tridus]

I'm confused? We have a one high dps and one low dps composition now? Isn't it just pure rng with a very slight emphasis on trying to have 1 ranged and 1 melee?

We can. If you're lumping DPS into three categories (Gold/silver/bronze to use OP's terms), under the current system you have a bunch of possible combinations, including (but not limited to) 2 gold, 2 bronze, and gold/bronze (aka one high and one low DPS). This system eliminates the third one, increasing the chances of getting the slowest one possible: 2 bronze. That is going to make the quality of expert runs even more swingy than it is right now for whoever is most in demand and doesn't get to be paired up with equivalents.

Healer's have a fairly reasonable chance of being put with like minded DPS particularly at peak

Only if the current demographics of who is queueing as what never change, which is a significant assumption.

whereas tanks will likely be the same lottery that we see currently. How is it actively going to make things worse?

Taking gold tanks (assuming you can even judge that accurately) and pairing them up with a pair of bronze DPS more often is going to give them more frequent painfully slow runs, and taking bronze tanks and pairing them up with 2 gold DPS more often is going to lead to frustrating runs more often. As soon as you take someone out of the system and have them simply paired up with whoever needs X immediately, you've defeated the point and are making quality of life worse for that role.

[Sebazy]

This system eliminates the third one, increasing the chances of getting the slowest one possible: 2 bronze. That is going to make the quality of expert runs even more swingy than it is right now for whoever is most in demand and doesn't get to be paired up with equivalents.

Taking gold tanks (assuming you can even judge that accurately) and pairing them up with a pair of bronze DPS more often is going to give them more frequent painfully slow runs, and taking bronze tanks and pairing them up with 2 gold DPS more often is going to lead to frustrating runs more often.

I suspect that's the new best point against a system like this tbh and I certainly can't argue against that, touche

Only if the current demographics of who is queueing as what never change, which is a significant assumption.

We can live in hope =(

[Tempest222]

Would your opinion be any different if this idea was only applied to Expert?

Well, I haven't gotten over ilevel 300 and completed Drowned City of Skalla yet, so am not even sure what's included in expert roulette. I haven't unlocked anything since a few level 50 things that weren't part of the msq, so I'm going to assume expert roulette is mostly or at least partly picking from things people had to do to get thtrough the main story quest. Imo, that's casual stuff, so my opinion is the same.

At the end of the day not so good players will always be there. Some people are more bothered by them than others. I still think if someone is that bothered then they can do pf or play with friends.

[Kazrah]

If this game did implement a ranking system for PvE content, I would have no qualms openly boycotting the game.

I also truly believe that anyone who actually does want such a system should know that they're playing the wrong game and will always be worse not just as players, but as people, compared to any newer player who may still have room to improve.

[Tridus]

Well, I haven't gotten over ilevel 300 and completed Drowned City of Skalla yet, so am not even sure what's included in expert roulette. I haven't unlocked anything since a few level 50 things that weren't part of the msq, so I'm going to assume expert roulette is mostly or at least partly picking from things people had to do to get thtrough the main story quest. Imo, that's casual stuff, so my opinion is the same.

Expert right now is all four level 70 endgame dungeons. Two of them are MSQ required: Ala Mhigo and Drowned City of Skalla. The other two are optional (Kugane Castle and Temple of the Fist).

Expert changes as patches come and go, though. What's in it in 4.2 will change as they add two new dungeons to it, and some (or possibly all) of the ones currently in it will come out. Generally speaking it's "whatever the newest max level dungeons are".

[AxlStream]

If this game did implement a ranking system for PvE content, I would have no qualms openly boycotting the game.

I also truly believe that anyone who actually does want such a system should know that they're playing the wrong game and will always be worse not just as players, but as people, compared to any newer player who may still have room to improve.

Now that is kinda of uncalled for mate. How does wanting my time to be used efficiently making me a worse player than someone wasting other's time with sub par performance?

[Tridus]

I also truly believe that anyone who actually does want such a system should know that they're playing the wrong game and will always be worse not just as players, but as people, compared to any newer player who may still have room to improve.

That is overstating it dramatically. People have good intentions here: they want people to be paired up with like minded players more often. Groups where 3 people want to speed kill mass pull and the healer can't keep up are frustrating for everyone, as are groups where the tank & healer *can* do it and the DPS are too slow, or one DPS is miles ahead of the other, and such.

I think doing it is a poor idea for reasons I've already outlined, but there's nothing here to suggest it's some kind of nefarious plot. We can keep it civil.