Please remove esuna from cross role actions

[Mavrias]

Hardly. We've had a lot of content in 4.0/4.1 with knockbacks. Not every class has immunities to these knockbacks. It can also allow DPS to LB at times that would otherwise be too dangerous.

Dark Knight, Machinist, and Bard are the only classes eithout knockback/ draw in immunities. DRK has plunge and the other two are the most mobile classes in the game. If a DPS lb's during a dangerous time they earned that floor and with the amount of input-response lag Rescue has they'll more than likely die either way.

Rescue's uses are entirely too niche and coupled with the length of its cooldown it is entirely not worth the slot it takes.

That and being rescued is annoying.

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

Dark Knight, Machinist, and Bard are the only classes eithout knockback/ draw in immunities. DRK has plunge and the other two are the most mobile classes in the game. If a DPS lb's during a dangerous time they earned that floor and with the amount of input-response lag Rescue has they'll more than likely die either way.

Rescue's uses are entirely too niche and coupled with the length of its cooldown it is entirely not worth the slot it takes.


That and being rescued is annoying.

Nah, rescue is essential in keeping up time and can be used like at least 3 times in V4S alone. During exdeath on your physical ranged when covers not available (second vacuum wave), during grand cross delta (uptime strat), and on the pld during double attack (the one he doesn't hg)... keep those casual comments to yourself pls keep the threat on topic its about esuna being put back into our native toolkit.

[Squintina]

Agree, Esuna should be part of the standard toolkit (or other names, though I wouldn't really care if they decided to put Esuna itself to all healers without changing back the skill names to their older versions).

Another heal buffer, different from the existing ones, should be put as a role action in its place, maybe a powerful temporary crit rate boost.

[Yeol]

If healer is running anything for the 1st time they should have Esuna on their bar.
Esuna can be a useless spell in encounters that don't require it.

Surecast is another example. It is a very useful ability in any fight that has knockback and draw-in effects. Other than that, it is a waste of space.

The main point of cross-role was to make mandatory skills available for every job of the same role (Provoke, Esuna, etc..)
Also to reduce the amount of space by removing less used skills like Silence.
Every skill/ability that have the same effect is now shared with cross-role to avoid making different names, icons for each job and save space.

If a player needs a skills or ability for a certain fight, they can easily take it and replace it later.

If you enter an encounter where Esuna is needed, just remind the healer

[Rongway]

If healer is running anything for the 1st time they should have Esuna on their bar.
Esuna can be a useless spell in encounters that don't require it.

Surecast is another example. It is a very useful ability in any fight that has knockback and draw-in effects. Other than that, it is a waste of space.

The critical difference between Surecast and Esuna is that if the healer doesn't slot Surecast, the healer has to deal with the consequences of being knocked back. If the healer doesn't slot Esuna, everyone else has to deal with the consequences of unavoidable death even if they don't make any mistakes themselves.

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

Yes in theory that's how it was suppose to work and it sounds great and it like totally reduces ability bloat. But you have to see it from a healer point of view, specifically a whm. Other jobs get things cross role that are new or they never had before, they can choose these things and not rly have to think twice. So many useful things.. apoc, addle, manashift, palisade, true north and goad even lol.

As a whm your options are pretty much all things they've taken from you and you don't have enough slots to get them all back. So it's getting to the point where healers are taking cleric stance over protect lol. Does that seem fair to you, that a healer won't take protect anymore? lolll We have clever macros that cast it prepull and swap it so we don't have to constantly switch out protect through the interface. To me that doesn't seem like a QoL change for healers that seems like a nuisance.

[VanilleFang]

It wouldn't change my set up any but it would make life easier. My set up is generally Swiftcast, Largesse, Lucid Dreaming, Cleric Stance, and E4E.

I drop CS for the situational Protect or Esuna. I really hate using Rescue on controller, I haven't really tried new Surecast, and Break is essentially useless.

E4E is just a nice oGCD buff to use when it's up. It may not do anything but then again it might. When it does it can help with alleviating some damage which allows for more DPS. CS is borderline useless but more DPS is more DPS. So yeah, having Esuna back as an always available spell would make life easier as I wouldn't have to worry about forgetting to set it when it's needed.

[Deceptus]

As long as there are removable buffs that cause an instant death, Esuna will be mandatory.

If a skill is mandatory, it shouldn't be on the role list (provoke included)

Surecast is another example. It is a very useful ability in any fight that has knockback and draw-in effects. Other than that, it is a waste of space.

It really does make Sophia Ex so darn easy. Especially on a 30s recast.

[Ilyrian]

As long as there are removable buffs that cause an instant death, Esuna will be mandatory.

I still think it's mad that they changed it. Not only is it an inconvenience but it actively discourages new players from learning how their toolkit as a healer works in practice.

Case in point: Cutter's Cry. Arguably the first point here a debuff can and will kill a player if the (new) healer isn't/can't heal through it. I have not seen one sprout healer ever Esuna this off - and it has always become an issue with a new healer in the group. It's crazy that a boss that is supposed to teach a healer to use Esuna becomes pointless when said healer doesn't even have it to use (and in a lot of cases with class-role skills; doesn't even know it exists).

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

I still think it's mad that they changed it. Not only is it an inconvenience but it actively discourages new players from learning how their toolkit as a healer works in practice.
Case in point: Cutter's Cry. Arguably the first point here a debuff can and will kill a player if the (new) healer isn't/can't heal through it. I have not seen one sprout healer ever Esuna this off - and it has always become an issue with a new healer in the group. It's crazy that a boss that is supposed to teach a healer to use Esuna becomes pointless when said healer doesn't even have it to use (and in a lot of cases with class-role skills; doesn't even know it exists).

Thank you for understanding this so well, they're literally being set up for failure. God forbid we get more quick esuna mechanics like moogle go round or throttle, newer healers will take losses cause they're not used to switching targets using esuna quickly in succession. It's just one of those cross roles they never take until after they wipe and get told to.