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    silentwindfr's Avatar
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    Florence Leduc
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    i'm curious, but don't ninja is slash damage?

    plus i want to point out something interesting, the real end game is only touched by something like 5-8% of the community, do they must tailored a jobs for this little part of the community and content? good blm is 3-4 in terms of dps... but if i'm right it fighting for the first place in terms of ranged dps, no?

    i have always fail to understand why people try to compare different type of dps together, melee have other trouble that they need to deal with, like need to move between enemy, avoid all cleave and such, respect positional is not the same demand... the fact that melee outshine ranged is normal... i don't say that blm is not means to be a strong dps, i only say that melee need to be above ranged or else, we will see one more time the situation of the 2.1 where no melee dps was wanted only ranged was used because it was safer and better to have ranged dps that was dealing as much dps than melee without any of them trouble.

    ranged dps have to deal with a different sort of positional... but it's part of the jobs, at least you don't loose 30% of damage and 15% of attack speed if you don't attack for more of 15 second...

    all in all, yoshida have said that the blm will receive a bit of love, but if they make it first dps it will kill the whole purpose of the samurai... that bring nothing to the table and is only here for dps. at least blm with role skill can help on some stuff. not the sam. it's a story of balance...

    i will repeat it, make ranged > or = melee in terms of dps is simply bad and will lead to a situation that will not be healthy.

    ps: to the op how a jobs that is about the 3rd or 4th dps is the worst dps... seriously?

    pss: to haroldsaxon, well yes one person play the black mage in the dev team a certain Naoki Yoshida ^^
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    Shiro Terkhev
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post

    plus i want to point out something interesting, the real end game is only touched by something like 5-8% of the community, do they must tailored a jobs for this little part of the community and content?
    And why would they be ignored? They pay same sub.

    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    i have always fail to understand why people try to compare different type of dps together, melee have other trouble that they need to deal with, like need to move between enemy, avoid all cleave and such, respect positional is not the same demand... the fact that melee outshine ranged is normal... i don't say that blm is not means to be a strong dps, i only say that melee need to be above ranged or else, we will see one more time the situation of the 2.1 where no melee dps was wanted only ranged was used because it was safer and better to have ranged dps that was dealing as much dps than melee without any of them trouble.


    ranged dps have to deal with a different sort of positional... but it's part of the jobs, at least you don't loose 30% of damage and 15% of attack speed if you don't attack for more of 15 second...
    In current tier there are barely any differences. While you don't want more than 2 melee because of positioning, DPS is DPS. Having pointy hat doesn't mean I won't feel bad for slowing down my whole team just because I decided to play this job and not the other.
    Also, there is no "melee > ranged" DPS difference. Every job has its own spot in ranking.

    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    ps: to the op how a jobs that is about the 3rd or 4th dps is the worst dps... seriously?

    pss: to haroldsaxon, well yes one person play the black mage in the dev team a certain Naoki Yoshida ^^
    BLM is worst simply because it offers the least. If you play BLM you are worth less than any other DPS class of same skill level.

    And HaroldSaxon clearly said "high level". Judging from balance, it's only natural to assume YoshiP doesn't.
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    Last edited by Terkhev; 01-17-2018 at 08:45 PM.

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    Masahiro Kido
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terkhev View Post
    If you play BLM you are worth less than any other DPS class of same skill level.
    Worthless? Why you so ignorant dude? By you saying this, you are in a sense saying anyone who plays BLM and or enjoys BLM is worthless. You are part of what is wrong with this game's community. Complete disregard for those who enjoy the job and those who don't ****h over numbers.

    No job is worthless and has their own worth and contribution to a party. People like you make me cringe. I sincerely hope I don't end up partying with you in game. You don't seem pleasant to be around.
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    Last edited by Usho; 01-18-2018 at 01:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usho View Post
    Worthless?
    He said "Worth less than any other dps class", not worthless which is a fair assessment. BLM doesn't bring any raid-wide buffs nor sufficient personal DPS to make up for the lack of any raid buffs which does WORTH LESS than bringing say a Summoner or Machinist. At the same skill level, groups will prefer basically any other class other than BLM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usho View Post
    Worthless? Why you so ignorant dude? By you saying this, you are in a sense saying anyone who plays BLM and or enjoys BLM is worthless. You are part of what is wrong with this game's community. Complete disregard for those who enjoy the job and those who don't ****h over numbers.
    I think he meant that you bring "less value" rather than "no value" to your party by playing BLM. That's the way I understand "worth less than ...", not "worthless". People enjoy playing their class no matter how good they perform, other people enjoy playing their class at its maximum. It's a bit like saying "I love running, but I hate those who want to run the fastest and are obsessed with performance". People that seems obsessed with numbers are actually trying their best at being a DPS, that's how they enjoy the game.

    Saying that they are the wrong side of FFXIV's community is really short-sighted imo. "They don't play the game like I do, so they are wrong".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usho View Post
    Worthless? Why you so ignorant dude? By you saying this, you are in a sense saying anyone who plays BLM and or enjoys BLM is worthless. You are part of what is wrong with this game's community. Complete disregard for those who enjoy the job and those who don't ****h over numbers.

    No job is worthless and has their own worth and contribution to a party. People like you make me cringe. I sincerely hope I don't end up partying with you in game. You don't seem pleasant to be around.
    Maybe you should read the guys post again before going off on another one of your incorrect rants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usho View Post
    Worthless? Why you so ignorant dude? By you saying this, you are in a sense saying anyone who plays BLM and or enjoys BLM is worthless. You are part of what is wrong with this game's community. Complete disregard for those who enjoy the job and those who don't ****h over numbers.
    He isn't saying the player is worthless. He is saying the job worths less than any other DPS (being the worst just like the OP's title). Don't take it personal and know the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usho View Post
    I sincerely hope I don't end up partying with you in game. You don't seem pleasant to be around.
    *holds up a mirror*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    *holds up a mirror*
    Pot meet Kettle Kabooa. That's all I'm gonna say about you. (You know why)

    @Zuzu-bq: I didn't take it personally. And I know the difference with the word, however the context in which he said it is questionable hence why I replied to that.
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    Solyra Valaren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usho View Post
    Pot meet Kettle Kabooa. That's all I'm gonna say about you. (You know why)

    @Zuzu-bq: I didn't take it personally. And I know the difference with the word, however the context in which he said it is questionable hence why I replied to that.
    I feel like I'm missing something here :3c

    I can understand the "BLM is still playable and isn't literally broken" but the issue is that it is (and has been) the bottom of the barrel for dps since mid 3.x. Sure, it is better than not taking anyone, but there is literally no other class that would be worse to take into content at the moment. Literally every other class does more effective damage in a party with the exception of RDM, which has the obvious chain raises.
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