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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    But you didn't start playing the game until months after Gordias, and didn't start raiding until Creator. How would you know about how successful Gordias statics were? While Riyah is wrong about Midas, they aren't entirely wrong about Gordias. If you weren't on Gilgamesh, or a similarly big server, or were part of a Coil static with a solid core, tough luck.
    Because I know people who were playing throughout Gordias; dealing with the good, bad and ugly aspects all around. I also neither claimed they were successful nor that transferring to Gilgamesh basically became a requirement. Riyah's response bluntly stated I wouldn't be able to raid—an entirely subjective statement—without the eventual nerfs to Savage. Would I need to make concessions, including a potential server change? Absolutely. But she has no way of knowing how I would progress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius
    You can't really blame people for jumping to Gordias difficulty, when raid difficulty is brought to the discussion table. It was Final Coil feedback from a minority of hardcore players that SE listened to, that resulted in the difficulty of Gordias.

    Besides, I'm sure there's still some (insane) players that would be asking for Gordias difficulty again.
    Sure you can. It's an emotional fallacy; appealing to an extreme scenario that assumes the opposing person's stance without any context.

    Oh, I have come across them. And promptly disagreed for the reasons stated. Granted, I do think A3S could have worked were it pushed to A4S and brought down just enough to not require tomestome gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius
    Where exactly that middle ground is, is debatable. I think v3/4s is a good middle ground.
    Creator, or slightly above. While I actually like v3/4, Cruise Chaser and Alex are better tuned fights. At least, I believe so. Per my edit, I would have preferred to see: Omega -> Creator -> Midas (Perhaps slightly easier). Admittedly, I can somewhat settle on just V1/2 getting a much needed bump. Alt Roite has no business being labeled Savage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius
    It'd definitely have helped during Gordias, but I don't think it'd have prevented it from being a disaster to the raiding community.
    While I somewhat agree, I do think it would have curved the diaster enough to be better rectified. Personally, I feel had they released Creator's difficulty after Gordias and scaled up to Midas afterwards, it would have been better. I just dislike static progression, which Savage will become if it never increases beyond what it is now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius
    Understandable, though my replies aren't taking those assumptions in mind, since most of them were silly, aside from the Gordias one.
    Fair enough. Perhaps I could have worded it better.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 01-03-2018 at 01:04 PM.