Thread: 4.2 Updates from Q&A with Yoshida

Originally Posted by RiyahArp

because people like you whined and moved en masse to gilgamesh because you couldn't handle it being harder. You're assuming the lot of you could even deal with raised difficulty; you couldn't with gordias, nor with midas, and if they increased it, you'd not be able to deal with it again. Challenge, hell. People here complaining about it being easy when hard literally killed the raid scene and took not just easing savage difficulty down with the last tier of HW, it took a big streamlining of the entire pve rotation too.

Excuse you. Do you know me? Considering I only started playing several months after Gordias released, it's no wonder a level 13 Monk couldn't handle it. I didn't start raiding until Creator. And yes, I sucked back then. You wanna know what I did, I put in the effort to improve and now am progging Ultimate; content harder than Gordias or Midas. It's almost like if you have a willingness to improve, you will. Funny now that works. Creator had a higher clear rate than Neo. You know, before they implemented all the rotation streamlining. So... that wasn't why they did it. I also like how you immediately jump to the only tier where the devs outright acknowledged they didn't test it properly. Even people who cleared Gordias agreed, it wasn't well balanced. That doesn't mean they can shoot for an in-between surrounding Creator and Midas.

I've also never been on Gilgamesh, by the way.

So you didn't just swing and miss with this post. The bat slipped entirely from your grasp. Such in the danger with those baseless assumptions...

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Excuse you. Do you know me? Considering I only started playing several months after Gordias released, it's no wonder a level 13 Monk couldn't handle it. I didn't start raiding until Creator. And yes, I sucked back then. You wanna know what I did, I put in the effort to improve and now am progging Ultimate; content harder than Gordias or Midas. .

the only reason you even could get started raiding was the constant easing of difficulty that ended in Creator. You talk this stuff about things being hard, well if it had been hard when you did it, you wouldn't even be here raiding; you wouldn't have been able to find a static to start. No one would have taken a chance on you then, just like it happened with gordias and midas. But there's always the tendency for people to pull up the ladders behind them.

Why do people always jump to “Savage-level difficulty dungeons” whenever anyone suggests to make them slightly harder? No one has ever suggested dungeons be on a Savage-level. They just want them to not be something you can semi-AFK in the middle of and still clear.

There's nothing they can do to make them harder that you don't see in ex primals or savage; ignoring boss mechanics would one shot you or set you up for a quick one shot, and there'd be a hard enrage. Otherwise its still just as semi-afkable.

Originally Posted by RiyahArp

blah blah "savage is so easy why arent they making it harder"

...census shows maybe 5% or less of NA on most servers clear OS4, and maybe 1000 people total Savage coil. The whole raid puffery gets old after awhile.

Blabla, people post it's too hard. It comes from same people who complained about normal shinryu. Same people about nidhogg story mode too. What's your point?

Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

I don't think it's so much wanting to stroke their own egos but exactly what Bourne said. Remember when "Expert" roulette was a challenge?.

And people hated pharos sirius and left it en masse whenever it popped up, if I recall. the same people who talk about raids being too easy will complain about how people can't even do a basic farm party. What do you think happens when you suddenly raise the difficulty then? If expert got harder, it wouldn't be more fun for you, because anything in this game is only a challenge once; after that its a nuisance.

Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

IOh! Oh! Like 4.0 PvP! Right, Riyah?

Hey, i healed in 3.0 pvp. You were using your ezmode ranged dps. you want to talk about hard, you should have probably tried the job that actually had it hard back then, to the point it dragged down all the queue times because so few people stuck with it.

Originally Posted by RiyahArp

And people hated pharos sirius and left it en masse whenever it popped up, if I recall. the same people who talk about raids being too easy will complain about how people can't even do a basic farm party. What do you think happens when you suddenly raise the difficulty then? If expert got harder, it wouldn't be more fun for you, because anything in this game is only a challenge once; after that its a nuisance.

It would be a progressive increase in difficulty: Deltascape being “entry-level” difficult, Sigmascape upping the difficulty to something closer to Creator levels, and then the final tier raising the bar to something close to Midas (because I hear a lot of good talk around the difficulty of the Midas tier). Keeping everything the same difficulty (or lowering it) makes the content stale.

And the solution to the latter part of your post is simple—people need to get better and practice instead of joining farm groups that they have no business being in (like the tank that was in one of my many V4S groups who had actually never cleared, but said “I’ve done V4N; shouldn’t be that much harder”).

I ask you again: if other people are allowed to complain about the state of their favorite pieces of content (casual crowd with dungeons, PvP lovers with PvP), why can’t raiders voice their concerns and complaints when their content grows stale?