ARR/Heavensward Fishing RNG could use a nerf.

[Kaurhz]

Fishing is perfectly fine as is. Although some of the windows could do with a increase in time. But adding skills such as veteran trade, would break a lot of the legendary or rare fish pretty quickly at least assuming if they can be used with mooch, and bearing in mind a fishing hole isn't treated as a node, whereas spearfishing is treated as a node. You get limited attempts, fishing holes last a good half an hour to an hour before they give the message to bugger off elsewhere. Didn't like the Goblin Perch? That's ok "Veteran Trade" - Next fish is guaranteed to be The Gobfather.

[Gemina]

Late in replying to this, but ... what? Are you thinking of a different fish? Patience and Patience 2 are definitely great and all, but HQ is irrelevant when catching the Namitaro, and I'm relatively certain that it has always been that way (it's certainly not mentioned in any of the guides I looked up). There's no mooching involved with this fish. The only skill useful for this fish is Chum, which allows you to get 3~4 casts in the 1-minute intuition window, instead of the original 2~3.

My mistake. I was confusing the requirements for Namitaro with the ones for Shonisaurus. Both fish require that you catch the 'lord' of those fishing holes in order to open the window for their respective legendary catches, and I think that is why I mixed them up. Should have confirmed my info first, so I do apologize for that.

Also, while I did indeed say that I hooked it nine times, I never mentioned the number of windows that I fished for it in, so you're really jumping to conclusions. It took me roughly fifteen thunder/thunderstorm windows (and that's without double-counting consecutive windows).

I'm not jumping to conclusions. You still hooked him nine times in one window, that is RNGenerous anyway you look at it. Especially considering that you need Giant Takitaro to get Fisher's Intuition, which iirc, is only a one-minute buff. Taking the number of windows that it did is the opposite side of the spectrum.

[Gemina]

Well I am not torturing myself with it that much. I do it a bit when I feel bored of other stuff. A the same time I just want any part of the game to feel fun so thats the reason I post in this thread. I know of no single person ingame that enjoys fishing which is sad because in other MMOs this was always a nice and relaxing side action. And there were games where it was even fun because you had to do more than throwing out the rod and hope for RNG. Because right now this is the only part of this fishing..

I was being overdramatic with the word "torture", but I think you know where I'm getting at. You're not having fun doing it. I get that you wish it was an activity you find enjoyable, but you say that you don't know anyone in game who does enjoy it, and are generally dissatisfied with the mechanics involved. It just sounds like unless fishing is given a complete revamp, it will just never be an activity you will find fun. Even if they did adjust the gathering rates so older fish were easier to catch, the lack of engagement would still be a problem for you.

And yes its luck. How can you say its not? When you have two people with the complete same equipment at the same time with the same actions..well one can catch it and one not. That is pure luck.

The biggest reason why I say it isn't luck, because there is no way on this planet that I would say, "You must be lucky." to anyone who completes the log. I would respect the effort this angler put in without question. The only requirements to complete the log is time and patience. If you don't complete it before you stop playing the game, or the game is no longer playable - you did not have the time. If you get frustrated and quit - you did not have the patience. But with enough of each, you WILL complete it. No luck is required. That is not to say there are no instances of luck with fishing. When I caught Heliocorpion, the guy I was talking to fishing next to me had been going after him for the last six months (mostly due to windows not lining up with playtime), but there have been many, many windows for him. And then here comes lil'ol me and gets him on my first try, not even using HW abilities. That's lucky.

As for the rest of your reply, I don't want to veer off topic continuing to compare combat RNG to FSH RNG. Addressing possible changes to fishing though, I should speak for myself only, but I believe both players who do and don't enjoy the current system would be welcome to adjustments that would involve some kind of skill/engagement in order to compensate for the low catch rate of big fish so long as it doesn't compromise the current system, achievement progression, active quests, etc. I for one, don't oppose it. But I also don't oppose the current fishing system.

[Shadygrove]

What? You have the same opportunity.

No you do not.

You have it easy. At least in ARR big fishing. My fisher alt, https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...acter/1417349/, still wears the Master Caster title. Which she earned before 3.0.

[Alleo]

I was being overdramatic with the word "torture", but I think you know where I'm getting at. You're not having fun doing it. I get that you wish it was an activity you find enjoyable, but you say that you don't know anyone in game who does enjoy it, and are generally dissatisfied with the mechanics involved. It just sounds like unless fishing is given a complete revamp, it will just never be an activity you will find fun. Even if they did adjust the gathering rates so older fish were easier to catch, the lack of engagement would still be a problem for you.

Sorry maybe I have wrote it a little bad too.

I still find some enjoyment out of fishing and I just like to complete logs. So I do like sitting there, watching some videos next to it and waiting for the fish to bite. But I just dont enjoy the RNG part of the big fishes so much. I am fine with making a list out of the apps and thus planning to catch some of those big fishes. Watching for the right weather and the right bait is fine. I just dont like the last part where you will have to hope for luck. Its just frustrating to have a good equipped lvl 70 fisher and yet still fail to catch an ARR fish. (I mean I am fine if you need that time and patience for the SB ones) Thats why I would like that our work that was put into leveling the job and gearing it up would help. It would feel like a progression of my skills.

This is why I gave the example with the scrolls. People still have to put work behind it by getting to 70 and things like that but they will also get a bit of a help. Maybe instead of yellow scrips you have to capture some SB fishes. Just something that will help those with bad luck. Because I find it highly unfair if someone has to fish 6 real life months for one fish while one catches it in one go. Yes you could say that somewhere down the line you might finish the log..but if someone has bad luck and need months with each big fish..how will they realistically finish it, especially if they cant play hours of hours per day? While another one might catch one big fish per week or even day..

[Granyala]

It's pretty obvious that bigfish fishing was not designed with RL-busy people in mind.

Personally I find it interesting to combine time and weather and lure. I can also live with them biting rarely. What I find frustrating is the escaping.
Esp because there is simply NOTHING a player can do, no skill, no prep nothing. Just dump more RL time into it and hope.

Personally I cannot see how mindlessly mashing 2 buttons while watching a video constitutes as an "achievement to be proud of" that needs to be protected.
Bring on the RNG nerfs. Content is more than old.

[Dzian]

How would it affect your feeling about it? You know you did it when it was harder. Making something easier shouldn't take away from your achievement.

It's a prestige thing. It's a simple concept. I dunno why so many people fail to understand it.

The less common something is the more prestigious it is. Simplicity..

Take cars for example. There's nothing special about owning or driving a Ferrari if everyone in town has one....

Even Coils and Alex savage can be unsynced now. That doesn't take anything away from the people who cleared them when they were current content.

Yes it does. The lack of prestige from the game is in part why player retention is so bad I think. Because nothing ever feels rewarding. In ARR I smashed coil got a final witness title and its worthless. You can 2 man most of it now. Used to be a title I wore with pride but now it's meaningless. mounts and stuff are the same..

It's also why within the numerous raiding topics that have sprung up over the years people say they don't bother because there's no sense reward from it when it'll be merged next patch.

To say it takes nothing away from people is flawed because it destroys prestige and pride

[Nezerius]

The Assassin could really use some nerfing, or perhaps some confirmation that it's even obtainable.
Just got done with my 12th fishing window trying to catch it, and I've yet to get even a single bite.

There's a couple of others that really should get their escape rate nerfed. For example, I've had a few windows in which the Green Jester escaped 4-5 times. That amount of escapes is just silly.

Then there's some of the rare weather ones in ARR. I've only spotted two windows for Bloodbath (Central Shroud, Haukke Manor), over the entire week. Similar story for the Blood Red Bonytongue (Mor Dhona, Singing Shards). Most of the Coerthas Central/Southern Thanalan ones don't see to pop up much, either.

[Tint]

Then there's some of the rare weather ones in ARR. I've only spotted two windows for Bloodbath (Central Shroud, Haukke Manor), over the entire week. Similar story for the Blood Red Bonytongue (Mor Dhona, Singing Shards). Most of the Coerthas Central/Southern Thanalan ones don't see to pop up much, either.

you can use this to see when the next weather windows will open: https://super-aardvark.github.io/weather/

[Nezerius]

you can use this to see when the next weather windows will open: https://super-aardvark.github.io/weather/

I know of it, but I prefer using http://www.garlandtools.org/ffxivfisher/ (in combination with some of the info from ff14angler)

Besides, my point was that some of the weather requirements are ridiculously rare, and it couldn't hurt for them to at least ease on those.