Didnt think of this did you

[Zsolen]

It would be better if no one took things personally, attacked anyone, and kept the discussions on the ideas.

[Kazrah]

Also as a wise woman once said,

Can't like this post hard enough.....

And yes OP, as fancy as it might be, there's still that issue of how much of a pain fluid player items are to make. It's why every current cape-like item in the game looks godawful and why whenever BST comes to the game, there'd be a good chance it wouldn't come in using whips.

[VanilleFang]

That looks like anime shit right there. I like anime shit usually. But not this anime shit.

[Kakiko]

So, I'm kind of full of popcorn.

I read the original post when OP made it, and I saw his other posts as well. Frankly, his designs aren't my style and the references to anime are a bit - - eh *shrug* to me, but I don't like anime so take that opinion with a grain of salt (it's one of the reasons I hesitated on fantasiaing into Miqo'te and it still comes up with the random tells I get in world). Was the initial comment made to the OP a bit harsh? Yeah, I think so. It could have been worded better but it seems the two people who got under OP's skin have attempted to apologize and offer more constructive criticism, only to have OP continue to spew the insults and somehow be defended by others telling the original two naysayers off.

OP, it's great that you're thinking of ways that could improve our experience in game but I do think that the game would be better served if those ideas fit the general theme of the world. There is lots of inspiration to draw from in game to think of new, unique glamour designs for men. For example, the Azim Steppe is very similar to Mongolian (in my eyes, though perhaps I'm wrong?) culture and the Mongolians have some really interesting clothing. There are tons of clothing styles I'd love to see in game for both men and women (big hooped skirts for the ladies, maybe Roman-esque style garb as well for both men and women, Greek style, etc) but none of them would really make sense in terms of Eorzea's world. That's also not to mention what has been brought up before in terms of the mechanics of making your suggestions plausible.

Someone mentioned Second Life earlier. I've been involved with Second Life for about 6 years now and have seen the growth of mesh-designed items from its infancy to being the go-to type of design. I have spent more money purchasing clothing, hair, skin, shoes, etc than I care to admit and I would say 95% of it has been mesh items. Mesh is amazing; it's gorgeous and it's smooth and it makes things look polished. But, there are limitations. It doesn't move as naturally as it would in real life and there are glitches and clipping issues. I have seen items similar to your suggestion actually rendered in Second Life by people who make a very good living doing just that, and I can tell you that it looks lovely standing still but movement almost always presents clipping issues with the arms of the character clipping through the item, or the item forcing the skeleton of the character to hold a widened posture (arms slightly out) which affects the animation quality. The same thing goes for my lovely big-hooped skirts. They are attached to the skeleton of the character and while the mesh skirt does bend a little, it's not enough in 99% of cases and ends up looking stiff and cardboard-like, such as when the character walks, the ends of the skirt are usually bound to the skeleton's feet and thus, the skirt doesn't move naturally in a flowing motion. Unless the skirt is very short, certain animations like sitting or kneeling, or even laying, almost always have the legs clipping through while the skirt itself remains mostly stiff and at an odd angle (such that basically the 'bottom' of the skirt is pointing forward or backwards at a near-90-degree angle).

I'm unsure how big of an issue those problems would be in Final Fantasy but I do know that even some of the long skirt options we have suffer from clipping issues (though, thankfully, not quite as severe as in Second Life). You can even see the issues with similar designs in-game with the long hair options; they are often very stiff and don't sit 'naturally' sometimes (Yotsuyu's hair being one example I can point to, and Leveva's from the Astrologian questline). Implementing a coat like you've suggested would have technical limitations that would make it probably useless for anything other than stationary poses or its animations would cause people to gripe and complain as much as they do about the long hair clipping issues we have now.

Even if SE managed to get around the clipping issues that are prevalent in other platforms with this style, I think you'd still end up with an item that is relatively stiff. And again, how would that particular style fit in with the game itself? Would it be another "joke" item, like the giant chocobo head or the moogle outfit, or the reindeer suit, or perhaps something that would really be of interest only to those who cosplay? I think the better option would be to design something that fits with the in-game universe that is unique to it, and that which can be used by everyone.

[Vanitas]

I love how people love to hate anything anime related even though they're playing a game with an anime-esk art style, freaking catgirls, and overly flashy abilities in a heavy fantasy setting with little to no realisim aside from minor grounded lore and physics. But hey, opinions are opinions nonetheless wether they make little sense or not.
But you know what isn't an opinion? The fact that I'm single and have no girlfriend. Now THAT is fact my friends. That aside I'm loving the salty molten lava spewing out of this thread! Between the op and his silly ideas and the people complaining about weeb things in a weeb game, it's obvious that we need that patch to hurry and come out because a lot of us clearly have nothing better to do than this.

[Kakiko]

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Speaking from the point of view of someone who wouldn't call herself an "anime fan", shockingly you can appreciate and like the visuals in FFXIV without having to be a big anime fan. You can like the art style and the character designs without *rawring* and XDDDD'ing all the time. You can like the fantasy (which exists in pre-e-e-e-etty much every other "fantasy-based" game out there) without having watched a billion different anime shows, have a bookcase full of manga, or call people "baka" or "sempai!" Liking FFXIV and loving anime don't have to go hand-in-hand. You can like one, or the other, or both. Personally, I've watched some anime in my time, I've read (and owned) a few manga when I was younger, and I enjoy a lot of the anime-esque art styles and manga-esque drawings because I think they're pretty or whimsical, but that shouldn't automatically put me into the category of people who like everything to do with anime/manga, or suggest that I 100% like/agree with everything anime/manga-related that gets posted. I also don't really consider the game itself to be "weeb", but I can see why it would attract those who would be considered "weebs." That's par for the course with this genre/style of game, but that doesn't mean it applies to everyone who participates.

As for wanting a girlfriend, good luck!

[Vanitas]

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That's all perfectly fine honestly. My disbelief comes from the people that try to bash and crucify those that do so much as even mention the idea of anything anime in this game acting like it doesn't exist when those elements are clearly there to begin with. Yeah op is going a bit ham with the requests but this sure isn't the first time I've seen people with similar, more innocent requests, be met with remarks from people like "I don't want that weebs crap in my game" or "this isn't a free to play Korean MMO" with a burning passion as if like some 2D boi came out of the screen and stole their spouse from them. There's no need for all that nonsense but then again I'm probably asking for far too much from a forum community so meh. /Shrug
Also thanks I still don't have a girlfriend since my last post but the positive words mean a lot.

[Settiesama]

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I've not seen one person say they hate, or don't want, Anime style things in the game. I feel you may of misread. If it was my initial post that you're getting that from, I was simply quoting how he has such a specific hyped up lust, nothing saying I don't want anime related things. It's just unfortunate that the anime styles he has chosen so far to not follow with the setting or current syles of the game, and for the most part, would be stiff and extremely awkward looking.

Again, I tried apologising, I shouldn't of let myself get that harsh. I have absolutely nothing on people coming up with ideas, including those from animes, but there are reasons why some styles work for one thing and not for another.]

Edit: Using an example from Final Fantasy.. Lets use 9. A medieval setting on Gaea with a several high tech ships etc. on Terra. The tech in that was created to mold into the historical setting of Gaea, as well as their clothing so you had a nice blend. What the OP would be suggesting would then be shoving modern day attire and styles of wearing clothings.. Motor bikes and cars into that Medieval setting. That doesn't blend, it creates a right mess or a time travelling catastrophe without the setting up for it.

Our Terra in XIV is Garlemald and Allag. Gaea is Eorzea and Doma. Garlemald and Allag has high tech that blends with the historical settings of both Eorzea and Doma. Their clothing doesn't stand out too outlandishly, it's not extreme. This keeps the game setting feel natural, like we could see this world as believable.
Just like throughout all history, costume dressing has been a thing, so that sets up the Chocobo and Moogle suits etc. Cloud's outfit, while urging on terrible to the setting, could somewhat fit into the Garlemald scene. The only attire we have that is totally out of place is Squall's, which was just for the fans seeing as it is part of Final Fantasy.

[Zsolen]

This is why I was saying if something in game can connect the pieces to areas/ content, it would make it lore friendly for the adventurers to pick up on certain styles that we wouldn't see in Eorzea, the Far East, or even the Garlean Empire. Once a style is established, then all the pieces of that style will fall into place.

[Vanitas]

This game lost all lore grounding the moment they added rocket powered flying turtles. Anything, with a little clever wording and backstory, can go into this game fine honestly. Look at the Creation tome weapons for example. They look like something straight out of PSO2 but of course just slap allagan on them and it fits the "lore" just fine.