Lets talk about flash. PAL

[DamianTenbe]

I know that drk need an immediate attention but let's talk about flash on paladin. It's design is not good imo. It should be converted into holy from whm or something similar to overpower or unleash. I know paladin is in good position right know but isnt flash silly right now? Leeme know what you think.

[Rufalus]

I think it's ok to have some flawed stuff as a way to differentiate the different jobs. It's tempting to import the good things from other jobs but then they get samey. Atm only need to flash a minimal amount for enmity or blind effect, then it's over to total eclipse spam for the aoe damage. I was thinking earlier today to just combine sheltron and intervention into a single button that changes effect depending on if the target is self or other party member, like how drk's tbn is, but maybe I'm making them too samey.

[Raldo]

Care to elaborate what exactly you find wrong with Flash? If you need more AOE threat than Total Eclipse gives, then you use Flash. It's not like it's completely useless or anything. Do you just wish it did damage?

[DamianTenbe]

Care to elaborate what exactly you find wrong with Flash? If you need more AOE threat than Total Eclipse gives, then you use Flash. It's not like it's completely useless or anything. Do you just wish it did damage?

Total Eclipse generates not threat. While flash does. Why not make it into one.

[Rufalus]

Devs explained that they considered removing flash for 4.0 and put an enmity bonus onto total eclipse, but decided to keep them separate in case of pld off-tank wanting to do aoe dmg to adds without overtaking enmity of the main tank.

[DamianTenbe]

Devs explained that they considered removing flash for 4.0 and put an enmity bonus onto total eclipse, but decided to keep them separate in case of pld off-tank wanting to do aoe dmg to adds without overtaking enmity of the main tank.

Or they could simply generate no threat on Sword Oath for dps purpose. Make it work to generate threat on shield oath.

[Tint]

I know that drk need an immediate attention but let's talk about flash on paladin. It's design is not good imo. It should be converted into holy from whm or something similar to overpower or unleash. I know paladin is in good position right know but isnt flash silly right now? Leeme know what you think.

you do realize that unleash is total garbage since 4.0 and basically on the same lvl as flash? at least PLD gets an (GCD) aoe damage skill at lvl 46, while DRK has to wait until 56.

[Ekimmak]

Honestly, I'm wondering why Total Eclipse even exists, because the damage it deals is somewhere between negligible and "I'd rather use my single target rotation" levels of bad.

[Rufalus]

Honestly, I'm wondering why Total Eclipse even exists, because the damage it deals is somewhere between negligible and "I'd rather use my single target rotation" levels of bad.

Compared to pre 4.0 when it had no spamable aoe dmg, only circle of scorn and single target attacks, it's still nice improvement dps if hits enough enemies so we can appreciate that. I think pld is too good at other things, that why they don't make it aoe dps very good for balance give it a flaw somewhere.

[Launched]

Honestly, I'm wondering why Total Eclipse even exists, because the damage it deals is somewhere between negligible and "I'd rather use my single target rotation" levels of bad.

You're really underestimating how good a spammable 110 potency aoe is, especially with Fight or Flight and 15% damage reduction on Shield Oath compared to 20% on Defiance/Grit. It's almost as much dps as Overpower.