don't vent because of poor play teach them a proper rotation.

[Grey-Satyr]

Some of us do try to help. And then we get called an elitist. Then, when we stop helping because we get tired of being called an elitist, we are called an elitist again. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Exactly this.

[Vanitas]

I used to feel the same but I've come to the sobering realization that a good majority of people don't want to be helped. That would require "effort" after all.

[Galgarion]

I'm sick of being told I need to teach. NO. I don't. I play casual content. I don't do Savage or extreme. If you can't play well enough to do okay in the stuff I run, and you don't have a physical or mental disability holding you back, then you're just lazy. There's only a million free F.A.Q.s and videos they can look up, so they need to stop acting like a google search isn't a thing, and get good on their own. If you prefer not reading dungeon guides, then whatever. What happens, happens.

[Namingwayfinder]

I'm sick of being told I need to teach. NO. I don't. I play casual content. I don't do Savage or extreme. If you can't play well enough to do okay in the stuff I run, and you don't have a physical or mental disability holding you back, then you're just lazy. There's only a million free F.A.Q.s and videos they can look up, so they need to stop acting like a google search isn't a thing, and get good on their own. If you prefer not reading dungeon guides, then whatever. What happens, happens.

You know, I agree with you on the laziness thing, I really do. To be frank, the only reason I even came back for SB was because I made some friends who were very good teachers in ARR and helped me excel by working with me when I was a new 50 scrublord. Because of that, I gained a very positive impression of the community. And maybe I'm just nostalgia-ing hard here, but when I first started when FF14 came out, I never took what higher level/more experienced players told me about my class/job as anything other than constructive criticism, unless they were spewing profanity a sick toddler spews vomit.

I think it has to do with the mindset of the player themselves. I'll be the first to admit I'm way too lazy to teach anything, but if someone asks me a question I will try to answer as best I can without sounding like an arrogant person, but it doesn't always get received that way.

TL;DR: This is just another case of the old adage, "Offense is always taken, never given." Sorry for the novelization of the post.

[Fynlar]

The overwhelming majority of people I see in the DF doing whacko things like spamming Rage of Halone nonstop or whatever (like, not even just *most* people... I'm talking about damn near all of them)... are the same people who say absolutely nothing throughout the entire instance and don't give any sort of indication that they're even looking at the chat window, because you can try to instruct them until the dhalmels come home and they will not acknowledge anything you said or change their playstyle whatsoever.

It's not always even a matter of these players being "rude", per se. Most of the time there is just zero reaction. You can't really call a lack of reaction as being rude. It's just nothing.

At some point you just end up being forced to acknowledge that it's more cathartic to spend your typing energy by venting afterward than it is to actually try (and fail) to communicate a better playstyle to all the people that clearly don't give a shit about their playstyle.

[FoxyAreku]

Ok.

>Follows the advice in the thread, trying to explain to someone in a nice way how to do their rotation and why it is effective
>Either got cussed out, told to shut up, received the meme response "You don't pay my sub!", and/or got kicked from the dungeon because the person is overly defensive and refuses to admit they did anything wrong

nvm I'm gonna go back to complaining.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I agree with you on helping teach others as far as the basics of a proper rotation goes. The strange attack patterns and "rotations" I've seen from other party members have astoundingly went up since Stormblood's release.

The problem is people don't take initiatives to read up guides or desire to improve like you do.

You can refer players to reputable guide providers like MTQCapture, MrHappy, Xenosys Vex, Graehl, or some detailed written/video guide that literally spills the secrets on how fights work move by move, phase by phase. The issue is that the people who could use the battle hints still don't want to spoil or improve their knowledge of the higher-end battles.

You can provide links to the best linkshells, free companies, discords, or other forms of voice chat to communicate, teach, socialize, and/or share new stuff that could help improve gameplay. The problem is that some of people who probably could use those mediums to improve simply do not care at the end of the day.

[Settiesama]

You can refer players to "reputable" guide providers like MrHappy

Never send anyone to MrHappy unless you can't stand their guts.

[RokkuEkkusu]

My Happy may not have the most ideal guides ever, but he does explain the gist of how the boss battles work, albeit nowhere near as detailed as MTQCapture or Xenosys Vex.

I do remember the Garuda Extreme guide Mr Happy has been criticized for. Mr Happy's guide had the MT tank both Garuda and Suparna. That would mean a Double Wicked Wheel having a high chance of killing non-tanks (heck Garuda's Wicked Wheel alone would knock out a non-tank at the relevant item level 65-90.) However, no other video guide showed that the "intended" triangle stat that JP players tend to use to minimize stress on the main tanks and melee players.

I will say that Mr Happy's best written guide IMO is his Sophia Extreme guide. That guide showed the square tiles being used as the place to stand while there will be a small tilt happening, among other things. (and those areas are where the waymarks were placed at the time the battle was relevant in 3.4 and 3.5 patches.)

[AxlStream]

You're good at the game? You're an elitist.
You're using a parser to better yourself? Elitist.
You're making suggestions on how someone can improve themselves? E l i t i s t.

You wipe a farm party constantly but you're having fun playing your way. Nah you're fine dude.

This community astounds me at times.