An example of why the ARR Hunts need an adjustment

[Rita1989]

You aren't owed to know when a hunt mob dies, that's not a guaranteed right you have. There's no unfairness here, it's just a dedicated group of players putting in the work and being successful.

The problem I have with this statement is that these same players are using timers that they got from other people marking ToD and not giving the same courtesy back it takes 1 second to mark a hunt as dead its not like its a long process.

Asking people to have common courtesy is apparently too much these days

[RitsukoSonoda]

Depends on server. ARR S ranks get called sometimes in my hunt LS. Pretty much never see call outs for ARR A ranks and its rare to really see them on Ultros because normally someone runs into it and just murders it solo just because its there whether its someone gathering or leveling another job. I solo killed a few just because I happen to run across them when they re-did the yo-kai event... so many fates just for a glowing ghost mount...

[HazyAssaulter]

I'd like to reiterate in response to people saying "do the work if you want the hunts" - these players operate in a way that excludes anyone else from doing said work. There is no opportunity to do the work to spawn these S ranks because they go ahead and spawn and kill them before you can ever have the chance to, and don't tell anyone so that they can maintain an iron fist on their exclusive hunt club.

[SuperZay]

I'd like to reiterate in response to people saying "do the work if you want the hunts" - these players operate in a way that excludes anyone else from doing said work. There is no opportunity to do the work to spawn these S ranks because they go ahead and spawn and kill them before you can ever have the chance to, and don't tell anyone so that they can maintain an iron fist on their exclusive hunt club.

If they go ahead, so can anyone. Unless you are at work or sleep, in which case someone with more free time will always win, because MMOs work like that.

[BillyKaplan]

If they go ahead, so can anyone. Unless you are at work or sleep, in which case someone with more free time will always win, because MMOs work like that.

Free time... to do what? Hopelessly run around Nandi's spawn points for hours on end, not even knowing if it's up or not because the kill time wasn't reported? I can't even blame this particular group for this situation, it only shows how badly designed the hunt system is that such a situation is even possible to begin with.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I'd like to reiterate in response to people saying "do the work if you want the hunts" - these players operate in a way that excludes anyone else from doing said work. There is no opportunity to do the work to spawn these S ranks because they go ahead and spawn and kill them before you can ever have the chance to, and don't tell anyone so that they can maintain an iron fist on their exclusive hunt club.

This is no different than what my primary LS did on FFXI for months at a time even in a few cases going on to over a year on NM and HNM spawns. We kept our own data base of death timers to find respawn windows for the targets we hunted. If you want to get in on these hunts you do the work needed to obtain the death timers yourself and keep track of it on your own. They are not obligated in any way to share this information with the entire server.

[BillyKaplan]

They are not obligated in any way to share this information with the entire server.

According to the current terms of service which either need to change or the playing field needs to be leveled, is the point of this thread. Because as much as SE likes to hide behind its excuse of hunts being an open world thing, this is a wonderful example of disruptive play. Without access to a hunt's last kill time, people can try and spawn that S rank for days on end without having a slim chance of that even happening because it was already killed and they don't know about it. Is it currently available in the game? Sure, but then again so was every exploit SE ever fixed. Doesn't mean it's ok, just that SE doesn't care about it enough yet, sadly.

So if you are spawner, you'll never miss any S ranks you've spawned.

You've had a wonderful hunting experience thus far and I hope that doesn't change for you but that's factually incorrect for too many people, especially for the examples which you didn't mention like Ganderawa who can spawn across the map from the gathering nodes, or the Azys Lla one with how annoying that map is to get around in. Bonnacon? Better hope your loading times are good and that he didn't spawn in Umbra, and Zona is basically made of paper so hope you don't have to cross that canyon from the fishing point because the scouts already pulled, and the list goes on.

[Kazgrel]

I agree with the OP's sentiment that it's incredibly frustrating to go out looking for a hunt only to find it living up to it's billing on Ariyala as "missing" because it had been killed and unmarked. That being said, it's entirely possible for hunts to be killed by people who simply don't know what the deal is (A ranks, at the very least). Most anyone familiar with S rank spawning, in my experience, knows to call them out and mark them, and that's experience with hunting on two vastly different servers (in terms of how grouping and relaying is handled).

[Unease_Lemming]

This is talking about the same issue I've tried to address in a topic a while back,
and the same group are still at it to this day.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-S-rank-Hunts

To anyone saying "put in the work yourself", as was stated, this has stopped applying to Behemoth server. It is not possible to do anything more than stumbling around blindly.

Spawning Hunts on the server has for the first time since their inception stopped being fun to me ever since this group started doing what they're doing, over 3 months back now. Non-max level hunts need an adjustment.

Disclaimer since this ended up being an issue in my other topic and I want to prevent it here; I am not "salty" because I can't get to hunts, nor am I being lazy and not putting in work. I have a tiger mount, I've spawned S ranks forever until this started happening, always enjoyed it greatly, it was a fun community activity, now utterly in shambles all due to the actions of a few people working within a system that is not made for being 20 levels higher than the content.

In conclusion I'd really like to ask anyone that claims this isn't an issue to come to Behemoth server and try to hunt S ranks for a week and see how it works out for you.

[SuperZay]

How is it worse than XI's claim system where after 1st hit nobody outside your party could hit hunt at all, which resulted in claiming bots rampaging in all areas.
Honestly, if you are serious about hunts, you should get close to spawning parties or even become part of them, and you'll have all info you need. So far it works fine for me: