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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    Elitist jerks and toxicity aren't gonna be a problem if SE add a parse to the game... yeah right
    So you take an already existing problem as something the game will get with a parser?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    So you take an already existing problem as something the game will get with a parser?
    It will just make it even worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    It will just make it even worse.
    Highly debatable. People who are jerks will continue to be jerks regardless of a parse. In fact, they already use ACT to bully but just are careful to avoid mentioning numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Highly debatable. People who are jerks will continue to be jerks regardless of a parse. In fact, they already use ACT to bully but just are careful to avoid mentioning numbers.
    We just recently had a thread from a player from world of wacraft saying, he appreciate how community is so much less toxic.
    Guess why.
    Keyword "recount".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    We just recently had a thread from a player from world of wacraft saying, he appreciate how community is so much less toxic.
    Guess why.
    Keyword "recount".
    Same thing than any poster here. One player isn't a valid representation of the whole community/state of the game. He might have left because of the Recount, but that's his personal reason. I can say, as an ocassional WoW player, that Recount has never been an issue for me. Even after using a jump potion of Legion after years of not playing, people were understanding with my lack of tanking capabilities and provided hints and guides. So, this evens out, right?

    And that's only bringing the "parser" jerks. You have many types of jerks around either casual, midcore and hardcore players will be jerks on its own way. Like our SAM last night in O2S, people made a mistake with the push back mechanic and he started spreading poison "DID U GUIS GET CARRIED THRU O4S OR WUT??!" (even though he barely was doing the same DPS than our tanks, so he wasn't a parser jerk). People asked him to chill, he didn't. The error got addressed and the SAM got kicked because of his attitude. Run a dungeon, don't do an unncessary strat with a boss that can easily be cheessed through and have people rage at you for not doing it. Go hunt and pull, you'll be yelled at for "early pulling"; receiving nasty tells that involve your mother and potentially other family members. Queue up for any PvP mode. I don't know, these are a couple of examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    We just recently had a thread from a player from world of wacraft saying, he appreciate how community is so much less toxic.
    Guess why.
    Keyword "recount".
    Indeed, feedback from one player should be able to sum up all Wow player's experience...

    I know many wow players who never complained about parsers, does it make it relevant ? no, because those are anecdotes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deithwen View Post
    Indeed, feedback from one player should be able to sum up all Wow player's experience...

    I know many wow players who never complained about parsers, does it make it relevant ? no, because those are anecdotes.
    And i know many wow players that were complaining about it when it came out.

    If someone is curious how it looked like in WoW i propose to read this article from a Wow journalist, explained how the meteric combat log affected the dungeons.
    https://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/...te-dps-meters/

    Its not a coincidence that many mmorpgs are just punishing or prohibiting using addons like these.
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    Last edited by Nedkel; 01-16-2018 at 01:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    And i know many wow players that were complaining about it when it came out.

    If someone is curious how it looked like in WoW i propose to read this article from a Wow journalist, explained how the meteric combat log affected the dungeons.
    https://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/...te-dps-meters/

    Its not a coincidence that many mmorpgs are just punishing or prohibiting using addons like these.
    Uhm, have you actually read the article? Like properly?

    It's hardly a scathing critique of meters and parsing etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Engadget Article
    Now, about 2,000 words in, I have come to a realization. I don't actually hate DPS meters. I've focused largely upon their failings in the environment of the new random dungeon finder. In a traditional raiding environment, though, they're must-have tools. You have an organized group, taking on challenging content, and it's vital to know if somebody can't pull their weight in an extended combat encounter. It's important to know if you have enough DPS to swap one out for an additional healer or off-tank, or if your DPS is lacking and you need to replace members, or ask somebody to change specs. No, I guess I don't hate damage meters.

    I hate the people who misuse them.

    So the next time you glance over and realize that LolpallyXxX is only throwing down 1k DPS in heroic Nexus, and you're suddenly struck by the urge to link his meager numbers to the rest of the group, stop. Take a breath. Look around. Are the mobs dying? Is the run going smoothly? Are you in heroic freaking Nexus? If you're nodding your head to those questions, you need to reconsider your motivation.
    Isn't that what most of the pro parse crowd are saying as well? =s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    We just recently had a thread from a player from world of wacraft saying, he appreciate how community is so much less toxic.
    Guess why.
    Keyword "recount".

    Its not a coincidence that many mmorpgs are just punishing or prohibiting using addons like these.
    Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

    Shall I rebuke your opinion with, ironically, a separate article from the same website? And would you look at that. The very first recommendation they make is to "not fear the damage meter." It's almost like opinion pieces aren't a good source of evidence.

    Actually, they don't. FFXIV is among the very few MMOs that doesn't relay information to the player whatsoever in regards to numbers, or allow third party access. This extends to even basic things like exact Crit percentage increases. Blade and Soul tells you precisely the impact it will have on your damage whereas FFXIV hides it behind a nebulous number we have to use ACT to decipher.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 01-16-2018 at 05:10 AM.