This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Melichoir]

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To play devil's advocate again here, No, you do not need a parser to beat Savage content.

Parsers it of itself has nothing to do with completing any boss mechanic. "But the enrage timer!!!!"

Ok, so you hit enrage, that immediately tells you a few possible likelyhoods

1) Your group is undergeared
2) Your group is taking to much damage or dying to mechanics to much to have proper damage output
3) Your group DPS is to low due to people not understanding their classes.

Now, pragmatically you should be able to easily tell if youre properly geared or not. You should also easily tell if youre group is taking to much damage or dying to often. So the only real 'unknown' is your damage output, which stems from knowing your class and rotations IF the other two are not a factor.

Parsers can help you identify which members of your group are not performing as well, but the parser in of itself does not have any bearing on the fight directly or indirectly.

You can beat savage content without one. It's not as easy, but you can. You could go into any Savage tier and do the fight without any parsers running and still clear it.

So the point you should not be arguing is "We need this for savage content!" because you do not. You dont NEED a parser. You WANT a parser because its a QoL addition that will help you clear content EASIER.

[Elkanah]

Ok, so you hit enrage, that immediately tells you a few possible likelyhoods:

1) Your group is undergeared
3) Your group DPS is to low due to people not understanding their classes.

#1 - Under geared, yes, I can understand.

#3 would indicate that yes, dps parsers would reflect this information

Yes, you can beat savage content without it, however, if Squeenix wants to steer clear from this as an issue for a whole, then either adding a parser to the game or eliminating the death time, would be the best solution for the content. Otherwise, this conversation will still be a continued issue for the ages, and has not changed since 2.0 endgame content.

I will also add that you're right, you don't need one. And can be done without one. For faster clearing on the content though, yes, advocating for an ingame parser, is what I would be doing. Or eliminating the death timer as a whole if that is the case.

[Melichoir]

Yes, you can beat savage content without it, however, if Squeenix wants to steer clear from this as an issue for a whole, then either adding a parser to the game or eliminating the death time, would be the best solution for the content. Otherwise, this conversation will still be a continued issue for the ages, and has not changed since 2.0 endgame content.

Enrage timers exist so you cant outsustain a boss to beat it. You have a time frame you need to beat the boss in. If you reach enrage, it means one of those 3 factors are in play. And as for steering clear, it does not appear they have to, as they themselves have not added it to the game. They must either see the negatives of parsers being more prevalent than the positives, or that the issue is not that big for them to add it in in the first place.

Again, its a QoL that people want one. Not a necessity. And that QoL is not one SE wants to hand over readily for some reason. This could very well be SE telling the player base parsers arent necessary to beat content, but people are to reliant on them possibly as a crutch? I dont know, speculating there.

[Sebazy]

So the point you should not be arguing is "We need this for savage content!" because you do not. You dont NEED a parser. You WANT a parser because its a QoL addition that will help you clear content EASIER.

Whilst we might not need parsers to beat Savage directly, do keep in mind that 'high end' play wouldn't be anything like as optimised or clear cut without the data gleaned from parsers at some point.

Would this be a big deal now given how watered down Savage is these days? Maybe not, but it'd certainly be a very significant impact on more dot centric jobs where a significant portion of your damage never makes it to the chat log.

[LalaRu]

...You dont NEED a parser. You WANT a parser...

These words are true gold.

[Sebazy]

These words are true gold.

The true gold here is when people with next to no raiding experience wade in on topics like this tbh.

And before I come across as being toxic or such, yes my comments are based on experience. My casual-midcore group for Gordias-Midas outright wouldn't have been able to clear A4S (and likely wouldn't have even gotten A3S) without the use of parsers to get us past the DPS barriers we faced. We didn't call people out and promptly kick them, rather we worked as a team to make DPS opportunities where we could with the skills we had.

[Tridus]

These words are true gold.

You don't NEED new content, glamour, housing, or inventory. You WANT those things.

Strictly speaking, you don't NEED this game to exist at all. Those words mean very little.

[jameseoakes]

You don't NEED new content, glamour, housing, or inventory. You WANT those things.

Strictly speaking, you don't NEED this game to exist at all. Those words mean very little.

well true but if they stopped adding any new content I think the game would die off pretty quickly

[Bourne_Endeavor]

well true but if they stopped adding any new content I think the game would die off pretty quickly

The crux of Tridus' point is much of what they are aren't necessities any more than a parser would be. They're QoL additions a good number of players would appreciate.