This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[JunseiKei]

Seeing more and more PFs requiring certain ranks in FFlogs to join party. This is really starting to become an issue. If you've legitimately been able to clear the fight, there's no reason you should need a certain percentile.

[Moomba33]

Seeing more and more PFs requiring certain ranks in FFlogs to join party. This is really starting to become an issue. If you've legitimately been able to clear the fight, there's no reason you should need a certain percentile.

Can always make your own party with a more relaxed standard.
To refer to everyone's favourite meme it took me 77 Zurvan clears to get my bird....and on a majority of them I didn't skip Soar. I stuck to joining parties that were going for clears or that said knowing mechanics was enough and didn't request a skip.

A party leader can filter a party by whatever standard they like and it's up to the community to join ones that match their goals or create their own.

[JunseiKei]

Can always make your own party with a more relaxed standard.

Making your own party only side steps the problem without addressing it. This should absolutely not be a norm. Being a competent player, yes, but holding using a metric that is not officially supported by the game using a program that is in violation to the Terms of Service should not be looked the other way. This is the exact thing people say mention when they say only a "minority of people abuse parsers" while others say they want it for self improvement.

The fact that more PFs are popping up with these conditions is proving contrary to these statements.

[HyoMinPark]

Seeing more and more PFs requiring certain ranks in FFlogs to join party. This is really starting to become an issue. If you've legitimately been able to clear the fight, there's no reason you should need a certain percentile.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, because I have seen no such parties. Care to provide some examples/screenshots?

[akaneakki]

Seeing more and more PFs requiring certain ranks in FFlogs to join party. This is really starting to become an issue. If you've legitimately been able to clear the fight, there's no reason you should need a certain percentile.

Speed logs and honestly why is it an issue? Why does it harm that some guy want high standars for his own PF? If I see someone underperform by far in my group, I have every right to kick him too. When I want to farm, I want people to understand they are clearly confident doing the content and doing good damage. Why would I open a PF and allow 3-4 wipes before a kill? Farm-/-Practice is 2 different things my friend.

If you feel like having 2-3 wipes and low dps and 100% enrage with few deaths, go for it, that's how you want to run farm groups so be it. If you are performing good, why would PF's like that bother you in the first place anyways.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, because I have seen no such parties. Care to provide some examples/screenshots?

They probably talk about speedlog PF's where they want certain percentile (most of them 85 or more) to join, to do even more in the speedlog kills. I've seen groups say high DPS but don't mention FFlogs, in fact those groups tends to be trap, consider the past few PF's I've been with ''high dps'' where the leader himself is under performing 30% below the rest.

Making your own party only side steps the problem without addressing it.

Why not? Why are we obligated to take anyone in the group?`If I want a group with cat girls, so be it. Or what about those 24 man raids full lalafel parties? You gonna tell them to include you too because you aren't a lalafel?

Making your own party only side steps the problem without addressing it. This should absolutely not be a norm. Being a competent player, yes, but holding using a metric that is not officially supported .

You know, party leader can do whatever he/she wants in their own group. I remember someone asked a GM if they would bann people if they had seller content PFs up across the data center or it's againts the rules, the GM simply said it's part of the game and they cannot force them to something else, other wise they restrict us with the gameplay we are offered. Same goes in PF with their own rules.

[VanilleFang]

Party leaders have the right to decide who they want in their party. It may not seem fair to you but that's why you also have the option to make your own party. Trying to dictate what people should be looking for in a party is far more unfair, imho.

[JunseiKei]

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, because I have seen no such parties. Care to provide some examples/screenshots?

Literally saw one up 5 minutes ago, but no, I don't have one to provide. Still, just because you don't look at certain times does not mean they don't exist. IE: Zurvan skip soar thing above from another post, at the time, many people said they never saw those parties while others did.

[akaneakki]

Literally saw one up 5 minutes ago, but no, I don't have one to provide. Still, just because you don't look at certain times does not mean they don't exist. IE: Zurvan skip soar thing above from another post, at the time, many people said they never saw those parties while others did.

Skipping soar wasn't hard, as long you did a decent opener you could. Honestly a majority of players who are laggin FAR behind playerbase, they do things in echo or either unsync farm because they could never do it when it was relevant. Same thing goes with skip soar, people want to skip mechanics they couldn't handle or some in the group couldnt. Skipping mechanics been a thing for many years in this game.

[JunseiKei]

Speed logs and honestly why is it an issue? Why does it harm that some guy want high standars for his own PF? If I see someone underperform by far in my group, I have every right to kick him too. When I want to farm, I want people to understand they are clearly confident doing the content and doing good damage. Why would I open a PF and allow 3-4 wipes before a kill? Farm-/-Practice is 2 different things my friend.

There is a difference between underperforming and people's perception of underperforming.

Here's an example: What do you feel about someone doing 4,300 DPS in v4s?

Also, you're all twisting what I am saying using hypothetical. I never once said we should accept "underperforming" players, but having unreasonable standards to people that can legitimately clear the fight (IE: not carried) is a problem. I'm also not talking about speedrunners - they actually exclude jobs because there are specific set ups to achieve what they want. Most PFs that want to speedrun label it as such. It is still an issue of misuse of a parser and a website that acts as a leaderboard to many a player and not a tool for self improvement.

Skipping soar wasn't hard, as long you did a decent opener you could. Honestly a majority of players who are laggin FAR behind playerbase, they do things in echo or either unsync farm because they could never do it when it was relevant. Same thing goes with skip soar, people want to skip mechanics they couldn't handle or some in the group couldnt. Skipping mechanics been a thing for many years in this game.

Never said skipping mechanics wasn't a thing in this game at all. My point was some people never saw parties that said skip soar while others did. (Even though killing Zurvan was pretty easy, even if you didn't skip soar.)

[Moomba33]

Making your own party only side steps the problem without addressing it. This should absolutely not be a norm. Being a competent player, yes, but holding using a metric that is not officially supported by the game using a program that is in violation to the Terms of Service should not be looked the other way. This is the exact thing people say mention when they say only a "minority of people abuse parsers" while others say they want it for self improvement.

The fact that more PFs are popping up with these conditions is proving contrary to these statements.

Well, I guess you can technically report people with PF descriptions like that for using 3rd party tools.
I just don't really see it as a big deal as long as they aren't harassing anyone. Is wanting to play with others at a similar skill level abuse of a parser? We are talking about pre-mades in high end content and not picking on average players in the DF.