This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Fannah]

I didn't say to be a god. I meant in my exemple "if you are playing with 3 gods, it doesn't mean they are carrying you if you are already way above the average". Which is not about an overall situation (that's when I used the word god).

I end to believe you put effort in order to be in disagreement.

On top of that, it's to mean we are free to improve or not when reaching such a state (and everyone said here is was ok to be good enough (I guess like a 5.2k dps sam currently) and that overall people will tell you nothing for this). Then performing above is required if you are in a group (static) aiming for this. I don't believe people to try doing time records when playing with PUG but only to clear without dying (which is a way to mean it'll be quick). When with random players, I prefer to end my Ravana Ex at 1rst try than wiping 3 times in a row because not everyone agree about skiping the butterflies part or not (and risking some are unable to pull their weight to do it). It's about the real time irl it took, which matters more to me when playing with randoms than the final time it did which can't be an awesome score with random players anyway (of course, it's different if it's a farm group where it's better to aim for skipping phases in order to farm way faster).

[Dualgunner]

I didn't say to be a god.

I'm quite sure they meant "good" and merely missed an "o".

[KaivaC]

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Maybe others have mentioned it, but I have not mentioned anything about the time it takes to kill a Savage or an Ex. Right now, for the endgame, a 5.2k SAM is damn near top of the line for O3S and O4S, when compared to all other samurai who have gone through that fight. Outside of statics, nobody is really asking for players to attain that kind of DPS, especially in a random group. I am of the opinion that if somebody is running with a static, and 3 of the DPS are all doing 6.5k DPS, and the last DPS is sitting at 4.5-5.5k, then yes, they are being carried, even if their damage is way above average. But those are statics - my disagreement with what you're saying stems from the attitude that 'the DPS I'm contributing is just enough in this random group', so why should I need to improve anything else if it's working'.

[Fannah]

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Ah don't worry^^ I talk about timers because higher dps makes times shorter. About all that, It's not that I really mean "it's ok to stop improving at such point" but more "I'm ok if I meet someone who decided to stop making progress at a certain point I think is way high enough already to don't consider that person a burden". Me, I'm gonna do my best everytime. I just don't ask others to go further than the limit they fixed to themselves if they are way above the average already and enjoy their game. When I talk about timers, it's that I don't mind to end a boss after 10 min instead of 9min because the other one is good but not as I am. When I play, as long as there is no problem (dps check, death, execution of mechanics) I don't watch how others are enjoying their game, and maybe they are trying to improve or are doing their best already.

But I agree, I'm against people who don't care being a burden, yea. They are just selfish imo. The worst part is when they are carried, and then they believe they are ok. I rarely meet people like this, but when it happens it's a hell and you can find them again and again when you are farming a part.

[KaivaC]

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Eh....the main issue I run into with high-end duty clear/farm parties is people not knowing how to execute mechanics. DPS doesn't matter if you get killed by a mechanic. And with pug groups, it's unrealistic to expect everyone to perform at their very best - that's just not gonna happen because there's always gonna be someone who is looking for a carry. Statics are the place where high numbers are probably expected. For doing pugs, if a player started Omega Savage when it was first released, and did it on a weekly basis, and are still doing the same numbers (in the 2k - 3.5k range) now as they did back in release week...they have a problem.

[Neophyte]

Eh....the main issue I run into with high-end duty clear/farm parties is people not knowing how to execute mechanics. DPS doesn't matter if you get killed by a mechanic.

I dont know why people always distinguish between those two things.



Usually the good dps players are also good at executing mechanics, because the most important part in increasing dps is doing so while executing mechanics with most uptime.

It's always the low dps players, who don't know how the mechanics precisley work, resulting in x unnecessary slides in O1s and panicked cliff jumping, cancelling a cast to apply an addle because they forget when exactly AoEs occur, stupid rezzes during mechs with insta moving to be killed again, running in Shinryu/O3s waaaaay before tethers are applied, melees choosing to go in a back spot in Shinryu (despite 2 ranged) or waiting 10s in some awkward place away from boss doing nothing because they got suprised by the thunder spread mechanic, don't use 2nd wind for earthbreath followed by icestorm, getting hit by every second icicle, etc...

Most of the times good player refers to both executing mechanics and dps, while bad players more often than not are bad at both.
Also when you die by a mechanic (alone) and you're still No.1 at the end of the run, it does indead matter. If it's close to enrage it's still thanks to your competence as a dps that a clear was possible, although you were the only one who died.