This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[AiharaMizuki]

If it's a static of random I don't give any interest in, yes, if it's a static of friends and that one brings enough, no.
If it's random Pick up group to clear, then I didn't pick him, and I don't care if as I said he brings more than the average already.

That's where we part ways.

If there was an in-game parser I feel like a lot of people would probably improve because of it.
I know that until pretty recently I had no idea my damage was so poor and it wasn't until my friends who play on PC and can use ACT told me about it and I actually tried to improve.
Yeah there are people who won't try either way but there might also be a lot of other people who simply don't know how they should improve, or even if they need to improve, because the game doesn't have a parser.

[HyoMinPark]

"Perfect" was an expression -_- Why should I state the obvious? Asking people to pull their weight is absolutely a normal and obvious thing.

In the future, it’s probably best to not use absolutes like “perfect” or “perfection” in your arguments. I quoted that part of your posts specifically because you said it several times, and that is a common argument that is used when people are trying to advocate for being against parsers: that all people who parse are suddenly demanding perfection and 95th percentile play. Which is not the case. That may be one of the reasons why people seem to think that you are anti-parser, instead of being pro-parser (or at least agreeing on the side of the “pro-parser posters”) because you’re presenting a lot of arguments that the opposite side uses frequently.

Learn to read

This is not a proper rebuttal. I can’t speak on behalf of Bourne, but I’m having a hard time following your posts. That probably means you have an issue with properly presenting your stance, not that other people can’t read.

[KaivaC]

I am against harassment.

Is that only in game, or does that apply to the forums too, because when your argument was disputed, you started telling people to read, to stop being stupid/trolling, and hypocritical. Those are attacks - that's harassment right there. You know, if you want to be technical about it.

Edit: Also, since I see that you've hit your posting limit for the day and I see that you're adding edits to your post at the top of this page, let me just add in that no one really put words into your mouth. They were disputed, as things are wont to do around here. I suppose we can revisit this when your limit resets.

[Alien_Gamer]

But there's definitely truth in there as well...Bigoted and hopelessly out of touch with reality imho.

You speak of wording things poorly and then say that? I responded to one thing, that someone said the ONLY people who were against logs were those that didn't want to be shown they were bad. I refuted that with an example of other reasons meaning there is not ONLY one type of person against it.

I also flat out state I know there are people that won't abuse it and those that will. I'm accepting that other people have different views. I'm also accepting that my own argument is purely from my experience, is anecdotal, and not something that is meant to sway other people that like parsers.

Edit:
Dualgunner is right, I misread that statement.

[Dualgunner]

Well considering he was talking about the stance itself bordering on bigotry and not you...neither of you?

[Erik501]

Oh, the parser thing again. It is somewhat tiresome, but I'll share my two cents on the topic.

First of all, I do parse. I parse for myself, I never tell anyone that I am doing it and I never use it to harrass or dismiss anybody. I use it to have a more accurate idea of how much I can pull in a dungeon since I am usually the tank. I use it to improve my damage as well, be it as tank or as damage dealer. I use it to try to copy what other players are doing when I find an outstanding performance. If there was an official parser and people used it this way nobody would ever be against it, myself included.

However, I have seen it before. The addition of an official parser would not suddenly change the nice community we still have overall to an absolute toxic nightmare, but it would change over time. First we would begin to see people complaining in these very same forums because they were dismissed from a party for no apparent reason. Then we would see posts debating if low dps is a valid reason to dismiss someone in duty finder. Then we would begin to see people ignoring mechanics only to get higher dps. Then we would begin to see people ninja-pulling bosses before the countdown is over only to mess everybody else's opener and get a lead in the dps meters. And all of this would go up and up to the point where pretty much every duty finder dungeon becomes a stupid dps competition where everybody spend more time complaining about everybody else's performance than actually doing the duty.

I have seen all of this in other games, and I don't want to see it here. So I don't want any official parser. If you want to parse you can, there are ways, but keep it for yourself. SE is going to give us a better tool regardless, you will be able to record the whole run and see exactly what everybody are doing. For those who say they need a parser to be able to improve the overall performance of their static, there you go, the best tool ever made for that purpose, much better than a parser.

[Dualgunner]

Humorously also a way better tool for harassment purposes.

[Lilseph]

This thread features a new challenger everyday, it's super amusing.

[Alien_Gamer]

How would parsers make your experience worse? Surely, the whole point of parsing, just from the perspective that it is simply a tool, is to figure out how to improve?

Easily. If SE makes parsers official then they are no longer against TOS and grounds to ban someone. It removes a very powerful deterrent to people bringing out parsers to harass others. It makes my game worse by having to put up with those people.

Will everyone do it? Absolutely not. I don't pretend otherwise. However I've seen it happen enough that I don't believe it won't be a common occurrence in this game.

You miss the point again and trying to make people improve doesnt make people toxic. What is toxic to me is I go in a farm, expect people to know how to do dps and mechanics but far too many players fails that, so why are you going to be a-hole and waste 7 peoples time? Because you had fun? Think a little bit what you said there. There are far too many players who leech of others and how is that not toxic at all? Or is it because you fell for their ''I have fun, damn you all If i can't, because it doesnt matter if we wipe or not as long I HAVE FUN''.

You're attributing words where they don't exist. I have nothing against helping people improve. I also don't go into content without preparing myself for it before hand; that means making sure I meet the minimum requirements of the job and duty including any dps checks BEFORE I even enter. The only variable when I enter should be learning the mechanics. I don't need a parser for any of that. Clearly you have some issues with other peoples DPS but you're aiming that wrath at the wrong person.

You don’t need parsers to bring out toxicity.

You're absolutely right, you don't and there is plenty of toxicity everywhere without it. As far as i'm aware there's no rigorous studies on the social dynamics of parsers and toxicity to point to, literally all I have is my experience and the behavior I've witnessed. That is toxicity grows when parsers are allowed in the game.

I also don't disagree that what I said about my experience is purely ancedotal and I wasn't trying to state it as anything else. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on that. My experience with parsers is the reason I don't like them, you like them because youve had good experience with them; its personal experience, not an absolute and thats all it should be taken as.

Again, my point was there is more than one reason to dislike parsers. My point was not that the game should revolve around my experiences.

[Sebazy]

So who's the bigot? The one that accepts others like parsers or the one that can't accept that others don't?

To requote myself in full:

And yet, the point that gets missed and brushed over again and again here, is that for every petulant child with a parse window (and likely still going to be an petulant child without said parse window) that's needlessly kicking up a fuss, there's an order of magnitude more quietly getting on with their thing because they just don't care. It's bordering on a discriminatory stance. Bigoted and hopelessly out of touch with reality imho.

Dualgunner beat me to it, but aye, sorry if it came across as me calling you bigoted. That wasn't my intention <3

Rather, I'm referring to the view point that parsers make people toxic across the board, or at least in far far greater numbers than reality.

A better (and less offensive!) way to put my point forward might be as such:

The majority of parser harassment incidents are either here-say (My mate's brother's partner was in a party where someone got called out in Gordias!) or misunderstandings (Aka this thread and my Rabanastre troll). I'm not denying that parser based harassment doesn't exist, but rather that it's not actually all that common, if it was, you can guarantee this thread would be filled to the brim with screenshots of it happening.

On the flipside, I'd like to put this link out there. Note the sheer volume of uploads each and every day. I'd struggle to scrape together a handful of verified incidents where parser data was used maliciously, yet it takes me 30 seconds show literally thousands of occasions where it wasn't, on a daily basis no less.

Don't get me wrong, I love data and it's one of my favourite aspects of progression time, but I do agree with you in many respects. Thus my stance that simply incorporating the 3rd party parser into the game as is would be a mistake. The community isn't ready for that. If we ever do get one, it should be self only and absolutely discrete at least until the populace as a whole warms up to it.