This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Fannah]

he told me " i dont see why i should improve since we killed it" the thing is

its not because you feel bad to no clear something that the content will per magic clear itself

Then what's the problem if you cleared it? In a way, he is right. As long as his dps isn't so low he could be considered carried according to the dps needed for the fight (and not to what others bring, as if you're with 3 other expert dps players, then why should you suddenly reach their level when playing, for exemple, Sophia extreme? If he brings enough dps, he can accept to stop his progression here as long as he's not a burden).
If he is so low in the way if 3 other players like him would be here, they would have seen the boss rage, then yea he is too low.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

So you say its okay when it clearly isn't and has been said many of times by GM's and Yoshi himself that not to use it against people but you have some sort of thought in your head its okay and the parse should be okay to do so if your time is wasted lolol.

Perhaps because Yoshi and the devs watched streams of Ultimate on Twitch where every single raid team not only had ACT running, but used triggers to call out mechanics. The devs are well aware raiders have parsers running, but have adopted a leniency towards them provided people aren't hostile. All you do by reporting parse users who have made no outside antagonistic response is annoy GMs who aren't going to do anything.

People abuse it all the time, I have seen it first hand how many people get cussed out before getting kicked. Just because a few of you that are good hearted fix that issue.

That is why it will never be allowed cause the ones who use it for bad intentions will hold all the good ones back maybe that's the crowd that needs a talking to but because of the way they are it will never happen.

I have never reported people with good intentions but they miss use it to put someone down its fair game.

Seen it first hand have you? I find that hard to believe considering you don't even have a character at 70. Regardless, this is anecdotal evidence. While you claim it "happens all the time," I have been playing for over two years and have never seen parse abuse. And I occasional pug Savage, where it's virtually guaranteed someone has ACT running.

[KaivaC]

Then what's the problem if you cleared it? He is right in a way. As long as his dps isn't so low he could be considered carried according to the dps needed for the fight

This is where 'Skip Soar' was born...

[HyoMinPark]

People abuse it all the time, I have seen it first hand how many people get cussed out before getting kicked.

This is the problem with your argument though: your evidence is all anecdotal. If we’re going the anecdotal route: you’ve seen bad people who use parsers to abuse others; I’ve seen people who are completely against parsers that have acted far more hostile than people who are pro-parser. And just look at this thread. The OP fabricated a story about parser abuse and being kicked over low DPS, when that wasn’t even why they were kicked in the first place, and parsers were never mentioned at all during the fight; all to just fuel some anti-parser agenda that they seem to have.

Unless they were getting “cussed out” and harassed about supposed poor numbers/DPS, just cussing someone out isn’t the same as harassing them with a parser. That’s just them being a tool. And people don’t need a parser to act like tools. They’ll do it with or without one.

[Dualgunner]

People abuse it all the time,

Weasel words and hyperbole.

I have seen it first hand how many people get cussed out before getting kicked.

Anecdote. Let me rebut:

I have not seen it firsthand. Therefore it must never happen.

"That doesn't count!"

Neither does yours.

That is why it will never be allowed cause the ones who use it for bad intentions will hold all the good ones back maybe that's the crowd that needs a talking to but because of the way they are it will never happen.

It is allowed implicitly. The only use of a parser that is reportable in a way that will actually have any action taken is using it to abuse people: this, however, falls under reporting somebody for abuse.

I have never reported people with good intentions but they miss use it to put someone down its fair game.

Cool beans. We have no disagreements here.

[Gleipni]

blabla.

I will take the same logic you used okay ? "why should we bother taking someone so bad while other DPS do great ? " see how it whould be ? I never said he should do like the 3 other BECAUSE,class dont allow people to have the same DPS ,some class will deal more and some less,what we asked him is to just do average,just normal DPS,but the thing here is that guy learn 1 rotation,and never change anything thing,lot of monster ? same single target rotation,and even that rotation was a bit fucked up.


just to give you exemple for a imaginary savage,his class average dps is 1000 for that boss
lets say that number is just the average for someone who dont go all crazy about his dps:the person i talked about would be around 200,and would tell us that he dont have to improve. how do you expect a group to keep someone who dont even do the minimum ?

One of the main reason for people to try to do as much DPS as possible is 1st:because of performance yes, but the 2nd,is because:the shorter the fight,the less likely a mistake is to happen.

[Fannah]

I don't know what you mean with that meme, we are not all aware of it and the way it's used (just saw it was something about a mechanic of Zurvan Ex that could be skiped with enough dps).

Better learn to deal with the fact people are overall casual players in this game. Avoid playing with randoms the most you can. Some people can't even dodge big orange aoe on the ground. So don't ask them to be perfect at dps while they are focusing hard on dodging a mechanic when they certainly don't even would have a good rotation on a dummy. We proc with people from different servers we will never see again, so we have good chances to don't even see them after to talk and help in a meaningful way.

[Zeonx]

I find that hard to believe considering you don't even have a character at 70.

I do this is my cousins account he is sitting right here behind me playing.

I have played FFXI since beta and this for a long time don't jump the gun.

then again I didn't have to let you know that at all why you all getting up in arms over using parse versus people anyways when its against the rules?
Then again never mind I don't wanna reply to how right you are and how its good for the community and how everything will be nice if you had one lol so never mind.

[HyoMinPark]

I do this is my cousins account he is sitting right here behind me playing.

I have played FFXI since beta and this for a long time don't jump the gun.

then again I didn't have to let you know that at all why you all getting up in arms over using parse versus people anyways when its against the rules?
Then again never mind I don't wanna reply to how right you are and how its good for the community and how everything will be nice if you had one lol so never mind.

If we want to talk rules, you’re posting with an account that doesn’t belong to you, which is technically against the rules...

So don't ask them to be perfect at dps

But no one is asking for perfection; they are asking for people to pull their weight. There is a difference between demanding 99th percentile play, and asking for someone to pull their weight when they join in on harder content like Extremes, Savage, or Ultimate.

[Dualgunner]

I do this is my cousins account he is sitting right here behind me playing.

Not allowed to be on an account that isn't yours, since rules are your concern.

I have played FFXI since beta and this for a long time don't jump the gun.

Cool. Your experiences are still anecdote, don't jump the gun.

then again I didn't have to let you know that at all why you all getting up in arms over using parse versus people anyways when its against the rules?

Quote the exact quote of the person defending people harassing others with parsers. So far as I've read, people defend the use of parsers, and defend that not everyone who uses a parser misuses one. But perhaps I missed the person saying "I want to have the right to verbally abuse anybody who performs less than 99th percentile" as is the popular strawman.

Then again never mind I don't wanna reply to how right you are and how its good for the community and how everything will be nice if you had one lol so never mind.

Well, that was childish.