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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    So you say its okay when it clearly isn't and has been said many of times by GM's and Yoshi himself that not to use it against people but you have some sort of thought in your head its okay and the parse should be okay to do so if your time is wasted lolol.
    Perhaps because Yoshi and the devs watched streams of Ultimate on Twitch where every single raid team not only had ACT running, but used triggers to call out mechanics. The devs are well aware raiders have parsers running, but have adopted a leniency towards them provided people aren't hostile. All you do by reporting parse users who have made no outside antagonistic response is annoy GMs who aren't going to do anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    People abuse it all the time, I have seen it first hand how many people get cussed out before getting kicked. Just because a few of you that are good hearted fix that issue.

    That is why it will never be allowed cause the ones who use it for bad intentions will hold all the good ones back maybe that's the crowd that needs a talking to but because of the way they are it will never happen.

    I have never reported people with good intentions but they miss use it to put someone down its fair game.
    Seen it first hand have you? I find that hard to believe considering you don't even have a character at 70. Regardless, this is anecdotal evidence. While you claim it "happens all the time," I have been playing for over two years and have never seen parse abuse. And I occasional pug Savage, where it's virtually guaranteed someone has ACT running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    I find that hard to believe considering you don't even have a character at 70.
    I do this is my cousins account he is sitting right here behind me playing.

    I have played FFXI since beta and this for a long time don't jump the gun.

    then again I didn't have to let you know that at all why you all getting up in arms over using parse versus people anyways when its against the rules?
    Then again never mind I don't wanna reply to how right you are and how its good for the community and how everything will be nice if you had one lol so never mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    I do this is my cousins account he is sitting right here behind me playing.

    I have played FFXI since beta and this for a long time don't jump the gun.

    then again I didn't have to let you know that at all why you all getting up in arms over using parse versus people anyways when its against the rules?
    Then again never mind I don't wanna reply to how right you are and how its good for the community and how everything will be nice if you had one lol so never mind.
    If we want to talk rules, you’re posting with an account that doesn’t belong to you, which is technically against the rules...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fannah View Post
    So don't ask them to be perfect at dps
    But no one is asking for perfection; they are asking for people to pull their weight. There is a difference between demanding 99th percentile play, and asking for someone to pull their weight when they join in on harder content like Extremes, Savage, or Ultimate.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 01-03-2018 at 06:20 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    If we want to talk rules, you’re posting with an account that doesn’t belong to you, which is technically against the rules...
    not really, he signed in and he was posting and I am posting a little bit because of what that person just said about not knowing anything I took over for a second how is that against rules?

    The account is mine I own it I am the owner posting, but I gave it to my cousin he replied to someone else and I allowed him to so yeah its my account I bought it if im right here allowing him and me to post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    not really, he signed in and he was posting and I am posting a little bit because of what that person just said about not knowing anything I took over for a second how is that against rules?

    The account is mine I own it I am the owner posting, but I gave it to my cousin he replied to someone else and I allowed him to so yeah its my account I bought it if im right here allowing him and me to post.
    Hey man, even if its consensual it's still against ToS to have somebody else use your account. Really sucks when your only argument is word of law, and somebody uses word of law arguments against you when in the grand scheme, neither parsing nor your use of your cousins account break the spirit of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    not really, he signed in and he was posting and I am posting a little bit because of what that person just said about not knowing anything I took over for a second how is that against rules?

    The account is mine I own it I am the owner posting, but I gave it to my cousin he replied to someone else and I allowed him to so yeah its my account I bought it if im right here allowing him and me to post.
    That technically doesn’t matter since your cousin is using an account that doesn’t belong to him, even if he has your permission, but okay. Just, if you want to enforce rules with regards to reporting people over parsing, best to follow them yourself is all I’m saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    If we want to talk rules, you’re posting with an account that doesn’t belong to you, which is technically against the rules...
    Its my account it belongs to me and he was posting for a couple of seconds to type to that person just now no rules on me letting him type on my keyboard.

    I said all of what I said before to you and everyone except that person who claimed I don't know anything, simply put he said he played ffxi and that it was my account and he knows what people use parse for wrong reasons.

    Sounds to me you are grasping for straws since what I said before stuck and yes i follow rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    Its my account it belongs to me and he was posting for a couple of seconds to type to that person just now no rules on me letting him type on my keyboard.
    Let me write out what the argument here is plainly:

    Parsing is bad because it is against the terms of service, no matter its use it should be banned: using another's account is against terms of service, regardless of the consent of the account holder, and should be banned.

    As both of these are arguments purely within the word of the law, it is logically inconsistent to hold the view that the former is true, and the latter is false is the point HyoMin, Bourne, and I are making.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    I do this is my cousins account he is sitting right here behind me playing.
    Not allowed to be on an account that isn't yours, since rules are your concern.

    I have played FFXI since beta and this for a long time don't jump the gun.
    Cool. Your experiences are still anecdote, don't jump the gun.

    then again I didn't have to let you know that at all why you all getting up in arms over using parse versus people anyways when its against the rules?
    Quote the exact quote of the person defending people harassing others with parsers. So far as I've read, people defend the use of parsers, and defend that not everyone who uses a parser misuses one. But perhaps I missed the person saying "I want to have the right to verbally abuse anybody who performs less than 99th percentile" as is the popular strawman.

    Then again never mind I don't wanna reply to how right you are and how its good for the community and how everything will be nice if you had one lol so never mind.
    Well, that was childish.
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