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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
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    But that is still anecdotal evidence. Basically both sides counter each other's points with anecdotal evidence and personal experiences. Trust me, when I was starting to dip into raid content or savage back in HW, I dealt with a couple rather toxic parser folks, but like most groups, I understand that some experiences are not representative of the group as a whole. While I personally do not parse and have no desire too and I am sure pro parser folks don't mind that, I don't mind or care in the grand scheme of things if they do parse. Yes, people will abuse others with parsers and logs, yes in the grand scheme that abuse isn't really comparable to emote or chat abuse, BUT! There are way more who either use the tool personally and keep to themselves or keep to within their close group of friends. We should not persecute the majority for the acts of the minority.

    I am personally rather neutral these days in this debate, I think some things with FFlogs should change a bit and that would alleviate some, if not the majority of the abuse claims with logs. But again, whole different discussion. But I do not think the overall group should be judged based on the actions of a few. If that were the case then the anti parser side will require equal punishment, cause lord knows they aren't innocent in this debate.

    You can go through this whole thread and see both sides basically bein' dicks to eachother, using personal experiences as evidence to 'crush' the opposing opinion and overall doing the same thing back and forth. If you encounter someone who is being a dick with parsers and logs. Report them and move on cause that is literally the best you can do right now. Save copies of the conversation if ya need to.

    But if you look, it is very clear that there are more reasonable and overall nice people who use parsers. Not to single out but quickest to come to mind are Bourne and Hyomin (Though I could just be guessing they use them...I don't think I've seen them directly say they do.), while I don't agree with all of the things they say, both seem like good people who just wanna help and I wouldn't wanna see folks like them get punished for the actions of people they probably don't even know.

    I'm gonna stop here for now. All my thoughts aren't gather for this post and overall I'm rambling (And still at work...I think my boss is eyeing me with his nerf gun...) so, I may edit with more when I get home. Just...idk, don't be closed out to listening to the other side I guess? That goes for both sides? Eh.
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    Last edited by StarRosie; 01-03-2018 at 09:16 AM.