This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Alistaire]

Queue pity party and toxic being overused in 3...2...1...

if the shoe fits...

[Alien_Gamer]

The only people who are against logs, are in my limited experience, players that are garbage and don't want to have proof of it.

This statement is garbage in and of itself; I'm not a great player, I'm not a bad player, just average and I don't need logs to prove that to me. You won't hurt my feelings by saying I'm not good because its true. But there are many reasons to dislike logs outside of a fragile ego such as it seems to bring out the more toxic individuals and give them another bat to use against other people. I've never played a game where parsers improved my experience playing it and I've played many where it made it worse. That is why I don't want it; because my experience tells me it will make this game worse.

But that is my opinion and everyone else is welcome to theirs. I know there are people that won't abuse parsers and I know parsers don't have an exclusive hold on the asshats in the game. It doesn't change that I don't want them in the game.

[Sebazy]

I'm not a bad player, just average and I don't need logs to prove that to me. You won't hurt my feelings by saying I'm not good because its true.

It's poorly worded (An unfortunate trend that arguably spawned this thread in the first place), I'll definitely give you that. But there's definitely truth in there as well.

Look at it this way, if you were to embrace the data that parsers and logs offer, do you not think you could use that to become more than just 'average'?

I put a power meter on my pushbike, it doesn't automatically make me 3 mph faster everywhere, but by taking the time to learn how to understand and apply the numbers it's telling me, it can arguably do even more. This is what logs are really about.

But there are many reasons to dislike logs outside of a fragile ego such as it seems to bring out the more toxic individuals and give them another bat to use against other people.

And yet, the point that gets missed and brushed over again and again here, is that for every petulant child with a parse window (and likely still going to be an petulant child without said parse window) that's needlessly kicking up a fuss, there's an order of magnitude more quietly getting on with their thing because they just don't care. It's bordering on a discriminatory stance. Bigoted and hopelessly out of touch with reality imho.

[KaivaC]

I've never played a game where parsers improved my experience playing it and I've played many where it made it worse. That is why I don't want it; because my experience tells me it will make this game worse.

How would parsers make your experience worse? Surely, the whole point of parsing, just from the perspective that it is simply a tool, is to figure out how to improve?

[akaneakki]

it seems to bring out the more toxic individuals

You miss the point again and trying to make people improve doesnt make people toxic. What is toxic to me is I go in a farm, expect people to know how to do dps and mechanics but far too many players fails that, so why are you going to be a-hole and waste 7 peoples time? Because you had fun? Think a little bit what you said there. There are far too many players who leech of others and how is that not toxic at all? Or is it because you fell for their ''I have fun, damn you all If i can't, because it doesnt matter if we wipe or not as long I HAVE FUN''.

[HyoMinPark]

But there are many reasons to dislike logs outside of a fragile ego such as it seems to bring out the more toxic individuals and give them another bat to use against other people.

You don’t need parsers to bring out toxicity. I’m really tired of the misconception that parsers = more toxicity all around. Jerks are going to be jerks no matter what; they don’t need a parser to be one. And, quite frankly, a lot of them probably don’t even use parsers to be jerks in the first place.

Don’t blame the tool because someone decided to use it incorrectly.

I've never played a game where parsers improved my experience playing it and I've played many where it made it worse. That is why I don't want it; because my experience tells me it will make this game worse.

This is anecdotal, though. It can’t really be used as evidence for anything. If we were going this route, I could say that parsers made my gaming experience better, therefore it should be implemented because it will make the game better.

[Lord_Zlatan]

There always will be a reason for somone to be rude or toxic. It may be dmg related or simple positioning. Just got to find nice people to play with.

I'm surprised no one has responded by saying that "On my server, there are no good groups to play with!!!!!!".

Maybe I'm just lucky but i never seem to be able to NOT find a good play group

[Lord_Zlatan]

Don’t blame the tool because someone decided to use it incorrectly.

if someone told me i could be doing more damage (in a productive/constructive way) because they were using a parser, I would be completely open to the suggestions.

People don't like them because they aren't the one using them, and most people who do use them just aren't really clear/supportive about what information they are gleaning from it.

"You suck" is usually the default response. Rather than something constructive/informative.

[akaneakki]

"You suck" is usually the default response. Rather than something constructive/informative.

While I agree some are like that but the majority of players who are like that barely exist. I've seen more players try help others and get something shit back at you.

[Squintina]

if someone told me i could be doing more damage (in a productive/constructive way) because they were using a parser, I would be completely open to the suggestions.

People don't like them because they aren't the one using them, and most people who do use them just aren't really clear/supportive about what information they are gleaning from it.

"You suck" is usually the default response. Rather than something constructive/informative.

There are also people who use them and don't say anything at all, and I'd imagine, though I can't prove it, that the majority of parser users fall in that category.

Taking myself, I have used it and never brought it up in game to anyone. I have, however, used it to compare myself to another SCH in the party (I main SCH) to see how my heals stacked up. If I ended up better, eh. If I ended up worse (and it's not because of something obvious like dying to a mechanic), I immediately go to the logs and see what they did different. Even the basic circle graph that comes with ACT is enough for me to see what skills they benefited more from.

Do I also notice when other people (like DPS) aren't doing much damage? Sure, but I don't bring it up. You might be surprised how many people like me, whose default response isn't to give constructive criticsm but also not give any "you suck" comments, whose default response is simply to keep to themselves and only use it for self-improvement, exist.