This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Tridus]

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

I'd like to say the best way to stop people commenting without reading the thread is to just assume people aren't fools, alas...

They never talked about parsers in game, they were kicked for a different reason, and a tank should entirely be worried about DPS if three DPS are failing to beat him when it's their only job. I'm not sure why poor play is unacceptable for tanks and healers but perfectly acceptable for DPS unless we're falling back on the stereotype that DPS is full of bad players who need to be carried.

We're not doing that, right? Because I'm pretty sure it's not true, in which case DPS should do their part in the group or be held to account just like the other roles.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And these people call us toxic...

Don't you get it, Moro?! We are worse than Moogle quests!

[MoroMurasaki]

Don't you get it, Moro?! We are worse than Moogle quests!

Oh crap, my bad. I am a toxic elitist who is the Scourge of Eorzea, trash talking every non-orange player in even the most casual content. I tell everyone I raise to uninstall the game and force my cohealer to carry the brunt of the healing so that I can have my own orange parses.

I mean, that last part is actually a little true, but yeah...

[Eylirria]

I feel I must reply to the poster above mine, because you're simply put..wrong

Imagine you played bard at level 60 (last expansion, a reasonable assumption) and you leveled to 70, not completing your lvl 70 class quest to get refulgent arrow, which is a new ability. Troubadour does nothing for your DPS and the other skills are dots last longer, which one can argue doesn't necessarily effect your DPS in the same way as getting new rotational abilities does, we agree?

Splitting post in two, because 1000letter cap.

Just because that's the case for bard, that's not the case for every other class.

You took probably the only example that fit, and ran with it.

SAM doesn't get Kenki generation sorted until 62 -- until then, the class simply doesnt even begin to look like what it will at 70.

SMN gets Demi-Bahamut at 70, which completely changes the opener and the overall weigh of the rotation.
BLM doesn't get triple-casting until late 60ies.
RDM doesn't get Manafication and Verholy/Verflare until 60ish+ either.

So, I don't know what to tell you -- if you think all of ^ those are minor changes that have no real change to your dps or your overall rotation...

Nevermind the fact the original post I replied to was talking about level 50 and you arbitrarily changed it up to 60... but, still.

[Shurrikhan]

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

Tank performs as expected for one of his ilvl. Makes us look bad by comparison. Let's get him banned.

Yep, the tanks here were definitely the toxic ones...

[akaneakki]

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

Yeah because it's fine for a tank to do more dps than the dps. You know I've done so many kills and I also tanked fights myself without any tank stance at all and I get told I'm a way better tank than people who are in tank stance and It's like I tanked the whole fight with a tank stance. It's weird that people say that a tank who's tanking without tank stance takes less damage and doing 40% more damage is something they prefer than a ''tank who just tanks''.
Another example is tanks should put the boss in a good position and in omega 1 savage the tanks usually pop them in the fire so the melees can't hit it, another example of bad tanking. Just because you are a tank and your job is to hold aggro doesn't mean you are a good one. I'm more worried that you have the balls to say ''they are more concern about dpsing than tanking''. That means you don't know how to optimize your cds in a fight, you don't know how to move the boss for melees etc. You pretty much play like tanks in dungeons in raids.

Because poor DPS shouldn't be held accountable for their poor DPS, but the second a healer or tank screw up, it's time to tar and feather them for not "playing their job properly"?
If you had read the thread, you would have come across the posts of the WAR and the AST in that group who both said nothing was mentioned about parsers or DPS numbers. That being said, I ask again why are DPS roles not allowed to be held accountable for their poor performance, but tanks and healers are crucified the minute they make a mistake?

Couldn't said it any better. Honestly they defend too many people with poor performance. ''Oh no the healer is dpsing, I'm so concern they care about dpsing than healing'' ''tank is doing good dps so he must be a shit tank''. ''dps doing grey percentile, doesn't matter boss died and I don't care that the healers and the two tanks did so good damage to get us a clear instead of enrage''

Edit:
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/1TPCN...e=damage-taken
Look at the damage taken. Its 450k difference between me and the PLD. He has shield oath up 94% of the time. Now look at this other log as myself as PLD and look I have no shield oath on in the whole run and I only ate 240k ish more than the PLD I was with as a WAR. https://www.fflogs.com/reports/mKyGR...e=damage-taken I was also active 2% more than PLD I was with. So whatever you say Xlanta, before talking, at least look at how the damage is taken etc. According to these logs I did better than the PLD when I was warrior and I wasn't in tank stance at all. Care to explain?

[Raikki]

they see my name in logs where I was having an off day

Your logs when you're having an "off day" are completely relevant if someone is gauging what kind of a risk they're taking when you join their party. If they're an oddity they'll be drowned out by good logs anyway. I have numerous terrible runs of mine uploaded. Cherry-picking only runs that reflect well on you is a dishonest accounting of your performance.

I get that you want parties that can clear and where everyone pulls their weight. I just take issue with the generalization that because someone doesn't have FFLogs means that person is looking for a carry. It's not true 100% of the time. I don't know, I guess it's just different expectations from the game. To me, it sounds extremely elitist that someone has to have a third party item as "proof" or they "deserve" a blacklist.

Perhaps, but it's true most of the time. It's a reliable enough warning sign that not making use of it, at least in parties where efficiency is implied or guaranteed, is irresponsible as a PF host. People will often wait long periods of time for a party to fill up only to have it quickly disbanded if the group turns out to be unable to iron out its problems and accomplish its stated objectives. If it is within your power to provide evidence of your capabilities, then asking for it is merely asking you for the courtesy of going slightly out of your way to make people feel more confident about investing their time and effort together with you.

[Charisma]

I love how you both support the OP for spreading bullshit. Like, at least read whats going on. I like how more and more players with that attitude of yours comes into the light too. speaks volum how far people go just to try get someone in a bad spot. But since you mostlikely wont read what happened I'll copy paste it to you both.

I don't really understand what you want from me, my post has nothing to do with what he says, and I'm not willing to read 16 pages of a circlejerk.

Oh yeah, he pretty much only says "I did nothing against the rules, and please learn to play if you don't want to get shit talked."

[Xlantaa]

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An how the hell you know how I play my tank? For you information, I stand 99% without tank stance, performing DPS as "everyone expect". Just because I want to do it. How the hell you make this paragraph about a phrase that is just report bad behavior in party? Really? You need attack other to probe your ways? I said a guy talking shit should be reported and you immediately said I bad tank because yes?

But, yes, I think a tank should do DPS as much as can, but not make it the core of his job, because is not. They're not obliged to do top tier DPS.

A lot of people in this thread target me, despite I didn't say anything to anyone, talking bullshit about me because yes. So, that's not toxicity, that's perfectly fine and aceptable. Then we have a lot of thread s with "this community is great, is not toxic as WoW or Whatever!!!"

Yeah, I see it. What I did to you to attack me like this? Do you feel great, big, powerful?

[akaneakki]

I don't really understand what you want from me, my post has nothing to do with what he says, and I'm not willing to read 16 pages of a circlejerk.

Oh yeah, he pretty much only says "I did nothing against the rules, and please learn to play if you don't want to get shit talked."

Read what you said, what do you want from me? I'm asking you the same question. I also copy pasted the text from the TANK that was in the screenshot that was with OP. Or is that hard to miss when you even replied to me?

An how the hell you know how I play my tank? For you information, I stand 99% without tank stance, performing DPS as "everyone expect". Just because I want to do it. How the hell you make this paragraph a boot a phrase that is just report bad behavior in party?
Yeah, I see it. What I did to you to attack me like this? Do you feel great, big, powerful?

Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

Yeah, I see it. What I did to you to attack me like this? Do you feel great, big, powerful?

What the person did wasn't rude and they NEVER MENTIONED PARSER OR BAD DPS. So you gonna spread lies too? You know just reporting people just for the sake if it makes you toxic.
'What If my friends on ps4 made up using parser and they don't and the GM finds out, what you gonna do about it? Look even more silly? It's as silly as you backing up OP without reading what even happened. Then it's also funny you say ''this guy focus on dps than tanking'' yet you run the same formula. Clever.. just clever.

Yeah, I see it. What I did to you to attack me like this? Do you feel great, big, powerful?

I ask you the same for attacking the person who did nothing wrong.