This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Eylirria]

Honestly, before players complain about parsing, they need to make sure they know how to do their rotations. By level 50,you should already know.... There is no reason to not be hitting at least 2.5k in savage just doing your rotations, without even considering buffs on 310 gear. None whatsoever.

I get what you are saying... but by level 50 most people are missing at least 3-4 key abilities and mechanics... so, no, they won't know their level cap rotations by then.. or, if you're doing your level 50 rotation @ 70... theyll be doing 2.5k in 330 gear.

[Tangster85]

I feel I must reply to the poster above mine, because you're simply put..wrong

Imagine you played bard at level 60 (last expansion, a reasonable assumption) and you leveled to 70, not completing your lvl 70 class quest to get refulgent arrow, which is a new ability. Troubadour does nothing for your DPS and the other skills are dots last longer, which one can argue doesn't necessarily effect your DPS in the same way as getting new rotational abilities does, we agree?

Splitting post in two, because 1000letter cap.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Splitting post in two, because 1000letter cap.

You can bypass this restriction by editing your post.

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

All jobs DPS. If the tanks and healers aren't contributing, you're forcing the four DPS to all perform at a 95% level otherwise you simply won't clear. Putting that much burden on them is no different than DPS who stand in AoEs only to whine at the healer for letting them die.

[Eylirria]

I feel I must reply to the poster above mine, because you're simply put..wrong

Imagine you played bard at level 60 (last expansion, a reasonable assumption) and you leveled to 70, not completing your lvl 70 class quest to get refulgent arrow, which is a new ability. Troubadour does nothing for your DPS and the other skills are dots last longer, which one can argue doesn't necessarily effect your DPS in the same way as getting new rotational abilities does, we agree?

Splitting post in two, because 1000letter cap.

Just because that's the case for bard, that's not the case for every other class.

You took probably the only example that fit, and ran with it.

SAM doesn't get Kenki generation sorted until 62 -- until then, the class simply doesnt even begin to look like what it will at 70.

SMN gets Demi-Bahamut at 70, which completely changes the opener and the overall weigh of the rotation.
BLM doesn't get triple-casting until late 60ies.
RDM doesn't get Manafication and Verholy/Verflare until 60ish+ either.

So, I don't know what to tell you -- if you think all of ^ those are minor changes that have no real change to your dps or your overall rotation...

Nevermind the fact the original post I replied to was talking about level 50 and you arbitrarily changed it up to 60... but, still.

[KaivaC]

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Omg...do I really have to spell out what I'm getting at? Apparently I do, otherwise this post wouldn't have spawned. Ok...lemme break this down some for the New Year. If you don't know your basic rotation by level 50 (if you don't use a jump potion), you as a player are ...not a good player. Honestly. By level 60, yes, you'll gain some new skills, but you still have your basic rotation, which you should've learned. If by level 70, you still cannot figure out your rotation, assuming you've been sticking with the same class/job since level 1 (or 30 for the HW jobs), then you have no business even worrying about being parsed, let alone being in Omega Savage of all places. Even RDM, which has probably the easiest rotation of all jobs - if you can't figure out to start with Jolt, then rotate between your white/black magics, then go in for melee once you hit a certain level on the gauge, then you are playing badly.

Insofar as the other post you made, my question is - why the hell is your friend even going in O1S with a new class they have very little knowledge of? Or even their level 70 class quest?

[MoroMurasaki]

If by level 70, you still cannot figure out your rotation, assuming you've been sticking with the same class/job since level 1 (or 30 for the HW jobs), then you have no business even worrying about being parsed, let alone being in Omega Savage of all places.

Kavia, you elitist you >.>

But for real very well said. If people understood this then perhaps this thread wouldn't have to exist.

[KaivaC]

Kavia, you elitist you >.>

But for real very well said. If people understood this then perhaps this thread wouldn't have to exist.

Ahaha, we elitists are the source of all evils in Eorzea. Not even the Ascians get this kind of hate haha.

I've seen some bad plays going on in Omega Savage. It's one thing if you're not fully comfortable with everything that starts happening in O3S (and let's be honest, the first two are a cakewalk compared to 3 and 4). But somebody can't complain if they are using their class right - I love the arguments that this game isn't a job. My response? This is a MMO. In team-based games like Call of Duty, if I said that you needed to actually shoot your gun, would you (not you Moro) complain that I'm making it seem like a job if you're just running around a multiplayer map and...not really doing anything else?

[KaivaC]

I get what you are saying... but by level 50 most people are missing at least 3-4 key abilities and mechanics... so, no, they won't know their level cap rotations by then.. or, if you're doing your level 50 rotation @ 70... theyll be doing 2.5k in 330 gear.

Not quite what I was getting at. Obviously, at level 50, you have your foundations, and as you pick up skills, skills which the game does provide tooltips for if one were to look at them, one has to actually incorporate those into their rotation. I didn't mean doing a level 50 rotation in Omega Savage - I meant that by the time you hit level 50, you should already have a pretty decent knowledge of what your basic rotation should be. By 70, you should know most of your skills and what they do. One should not be trying to get parsed and going into Omega Savage if they don't know the majority, if not all, of their skills.