This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[HaroldSaxon]

Regardless, I have no interest in the endgame level content

You didn't need to say anything else.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You didn't need to say anything else.

Now the mic has been dropped.

[Jijifli]

I've seen the argument pop up plenty where people want to be able to judge their own performance, and their performance alone via parsing software and guess what, I'm not denying anyone that ability by hiding my logs. What I am doing is denying them the ability to make a erroneous assumption about my ability to play, just because of one bad log that got uploaded without my consent

Yes. You are right. You aren't stopping people from figuring out individual performance by blocking your own information. But when you decide to make a statement like...

Think of it this way. How many toxic assholes are not being toxic just because they're afraid someone will report them for parsing?

then you're probably trying to tell me people try to nitpick your logs if you keep them open. Let me help a tad here with a real life example. Lets say you went into a hotel, okay? and the guy at the hotel sees you have a purse, and requests to check it. No ill intent, but to make sure you aren't carrying something bad. You begin to throw a hissy fit, going, "No it's not yours you don't have my consent!" then it gets fishy. That MAKES the guy think you're hiding something, even if you aren't, and then can just boot you out. If you just opened the purse for 5 seconds, and he saw nothing bad, you'd get in.

That's what people check the logs for. They want to make sure that those joining a party marked for farming have players that know what they are doing and, if there's odd lowballs, why they are there. A parser can tell the leader that the fight you did terrible dps on also had terribly healers, and tanks losing threat. For example, if a MCH in O2S died to Evilsphere, a TANK BUSTER that instantly give of a reason why your dps might be low, because you're pulling theat off of terrible tanks. Hiding your logs also hides your good clears, which hides your ability to play well.

[Lazaruz]

This (the bolded statement) is in direct contradiction with what you said earlier

I would kindly ask that you point to where I said, or even implied that everyone who parses is "toxic". I offered a hypothetical that the current cases of people harassing others because of their damage numbers would and could increase. And that's it.

I never once said everyone who parses would be taking that attitude

Then...why are you in parser discussions anyways? Parsing doesn’t matter in dungeons or 24-mans, only Extremes and Savage content. Which you don’t do. So if there was an in-game parser that functioned in Extremes/Savages/Ultimate, why would you care because you aren’t doing that content?

We're gonna have to respectfully disagree about the 24-mans being endgame in any sense of the word. To me, it's late game, not end game. the difference being you are still expected to be able to clear without the group being 100% on top of their game and thusly having modest room for error.

That's the type of content I stay in because that's the type of content I enjoy. I dont like grinding against the Savage tiered difficulty, and so I dont bother with it. But since the current software already quite clearly extends outside of the "necessary" areas like Extreme and Savage, you'll have to forgive me for not thinking that it's where the discussion would end even if Square somehow would agree and add in a officially supported tool for that level of content.



No longer gonna be reading this thread from here on. So no responses will be given

[CrystalRainbow]

Some People don't know that warrior tanks in DPS staces able to stay in position let them push out higher numbers then a DPS running out of random AOE.
There have been times my wife the FC only Warrior Main Job, has push numbers hire then DPS because of 3 reasons. One Able to take a hit without moving out of POS so more DMG being done in the fight, Not dieing, Just being out geared over other DPS in the FC. She can play WHM/BRD/WAR. but only War is max Ilevel. Our FC lets people for the most part play the job they like not the one they are best geared at.

There are 2 people in our FC that have been posting our fights to FFLOGS. which I personally don't care for I play for fun.. If I can't beat content today. next patch I can try again,

If you play BRD all the time and you finally get DRG geared to enter content knowning the rest of group is going to pull there weight. Sure play DRG because maybe your sick of always playing BRD.
In this case the DRG DPS is going to lack that of the BRD, but the person gets to have fun.

[Eylirria]

I don't wanna play the devil's advocate but... It's the run that juuuuust got uploaded? The tanks did more DPS than all the actual DPS but the NIN. o-O

The truth has a way of rearing its head... I too found the log.

Unfortunately -- this is probably about as much as can be said before risking warnings/suspensions/actions on accounts.

[HoodRat]

Some People don't know that warrior tanks in DPS staces able to stay in position let them push out higher numbers then a DPS running out of random AOE.

Pld does comparable dps to war with less effort. Drk is a bit behind pld but can still outdps actual dps just the same as pld and war.

[Pnzar]

I too hate it when people can tell what a garbage player i am that is dragging the entire group down and who is a huge burden to other players.
I would also hate letting people know their own performance so they can improve on it, because i just can't be assed to improve as a player myself.



Squeenix should have added official support to parsers a long time ago, it's a must at this point.

[AxlStream]

I'm so proud that this thread didn't turn into the pity party for the OP i predicted all the way back on page 1. Maybe there is some hope that people might be able to take some pride in their numbers and not be made to feel like assholes.

[akaneakki]

I'm so proud that this thread didn't turn into the pity party for the OP i predicted all the way back on page 1. Maybe there is some hope that people might be able to take some pride in their numbers and not be made to feel like assholes.

Most don't feel pity because first of all there was nothing mentioned about DPS/parser from that tank. He also spoke very bold which the OP misunderstood as well. Then he clearly wants to put blame on others rather than himself. Those times he never had a single death isn't excactly so much better than the ones he had with death and that is himself only to blame. I wont pity someone who tries to put guilt on others for their own mistakes. And I think most good players are done with peoples attitude towards them. I'm tired of being called elitist when I try to help someone, I'm tired of being called no lifer when I try to help someone improve, I'm tired of being called asshole for trying to help someone. Yeah I'm also very tired of be in groups with people who clearly only think about themselves.