This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Lazaruz]

Yes, maybe some people without logs hope for a carry. Maybe some people without a clear are hoping for a carry. But that doesn't include everyone and it just rubbed me the wrong way.

You know.... I couldnt agree more with this.

Much like how not everyone who parses is a toxic kid who will rage at you over your numbers, not everyone who hides their logs are doing it just because there's something to hide or because they "want a carry"

I've seen the argument pop up plenty where people want to be able to judge their own performance, and their performance alone via parsing software and guess what, I'm not denying anyone that ability by hiding my logs. What I am doing is denying them the ability to make a erroneous assumption about my ability to play, just because of one bad log that got uploaded without my concent, or a good one that didnt get uploaded.

Regardless, I have no interest in the endgame level content, where most people agree that a parse is necessary. So if anyone resent me because you dont have "proof" that I'm playing at the level you want, go ahead. I'll let my actions do the talking instead of just raw data without context.

*Drops mic, leaves thread, since I already got bopped once for stepping on someone's nerve*

[HyoMinPark]

You know.... I couldnt agree more with this.

Much like how not everyone who parses is a toxic kid who will rage at you over your numbers, not everyone who hides their logs are doing it just because there's something to hide or because they "want a carry"

This (the bolded statement) is in direct contradiction with what you said earlier:

Think of it this way. How many toxic assholes are not being toxic just because they're afraid someone will report them for parsing?

I've seen the argument pop up plenty where people want to be able to judge their own performance, and their performance alone via parsing software and guess what, I'm not denying anyone that ability by hiding my logs. What I am doing is denying you the ability to make a erroneous assumption about my ability to play, just because of one bad log that got uploaded without my concent, or a good one that didnt get uploaded.

And, I say again, hiding your logs removes the ability for people too look into those greys and see why they’re grey in the first place. Bad comp? Lots of deaths? Poor healers? Poor tanks? Poor rotation? They can’t see any of that because you hid them, so they’re going to just assume you have something to hide.

Regardless, I have no interest in the endgame level content, where most people agree that a parse is necessary. So if you resent me because you dont have "proof" that I'm not playing at the level you want, go ahead. I'll let my actions do the talking instead of just raw data without context.

Then...why are you in parser discussions anyways? Parsing doesn’t matter in dungeons or 24-mans, only Extremes and Savage content. Which you don’t do. So if there was an in-game parser that functioned in Extremes/Savages/Ultimate, why would you care because you aren’t doing that content?

[Lazaruz]

This (the bolded statement) is in direct contradiction with what you said earlier

I would kindly ask that you point to where I said, or even implied that everyone who parses is "toxic". I offered a hypothetical that the current cases of people harassing others because of their damage numbers would and could increase. And that's it.

I never once said everyone who parses would be taking that attitude

Then...why are you in parser discussions anyways? Parsing doesn’t matter in dungeons or 24-mans, only Extremes and Savage content. Which you don’t do. So if there was an in-game parser that functioned in Extremes/Savages/Ultimate, why would you care because you aren’t doing that content?

We're gonna have to respectfully disagree about the 24-mans being endgame in any sense of the word. To me, it's late game, not end game. the difference being you are still expected to be able to clear without the group being 100% on top of their game and thusly having modest room for error.

That's the type of content I stay in because that's the type of content I enjoy. I dont like grinding against the Savage tiered difficulty, and so I dont bother with it. But since the current software already quite clearly extends outside of the "necessary" areas like Extreme and Savage, you'll have to forgive me for not thinking that it's where the discussion would end even if Square somehow would agree and add in a officially supported tool for that level of content.



No longer gonna be reading this thread from here on. So no responses will be given

[HaroldSaxon]

Regardless, I have no interest in the endgame level content

You didn't need to say anything else.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You didn't need to say anything else.

Now the mic has been dropped.

[Jijifli]

I've seen the argument pop up plenty where people want to be able to judge their own performance, and their performance alone via parsing software and guess what, I'm not denying anyone that ability by hiding my logs. What I am doing is denying them the ability to make a erroneous assumption about my ability to play, just because of one bad log that got uploaded without my consent

Yes. You are right. You aren't stopping people from figuring out individual performance by blocking your own information. But when you decide to make a statement like...

Think of it this way. How many toxic assholes are not being toxic just because they're afraid someone will report them for parsing?

then you're probably trying to tell me people try to nitpick your logs if you keep them open. Let me help a tad here with a real life example. Lets say you went into a hotel, okay? and the guy at the hotel sees you have a purse, and requests to check it. No ill intent, but to make sure you aren't carrying something bad. You begin to throw a hissy fit, going, "No it's not yours you don't have my consent!" then it gets fishy. That MAKES the guy think you're hiding something, even if you aren't, and then can just boot you out. If you just opened the purse for 5 seconds, and he saw nothing bad, you'd get in.

That's what people check the logs for. They want to make sure that those joining a party marked for farming have players that know what they are doing and, if there's odd lowballs, why they are there. A parser can tell the leader that the fight you did terrible dps on also had terribly healers, and tanks losing threat. For example, if a MCH in O2S died to Evilsphere, a TANK BUSTER that instantly give of a reason why your dps might be low, because you're pulling theat off of terrible tanks. Hiding your logs also hides your good clears, which hides your ability to play well.