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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzaman View Post
    Eh - only did Savage since friends asked to, got no interest in doing it with PF -groups.
    And I repeat my question, why are you concerned if that's all you have there?

    This isn't me 'having a go' or such, I'm pretty much perma AFK these days so makes no odds to me personally, it's just an interesting topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    And I repeat my question, why are you concerned if that's all you have there?

    This isn't me 'having a go' or such, I'm pretty much perma AFK these days so makes no odds to me personally, it's just an interesting topic.
    in I can inject myself into this:

    Privacy. that's the biggest reason. being "public" is not a default status I have turned on. I do not upload my logs, as far as I can tell. I do not present padded parses, or poor parses. I do not present any. and I don't want you having access to my performance stats without my consent. someone else consenting to release data on me to a public database is something I dislike thoroughly. it isn't about hiding anything, as I don't hide that my dpsing background is limited, I haven't run savage this tier, and I usually pull 2800-4000. I don't mind telling you these things on my own. I just don't want my privacy to wither for the sake of your convenience.
    I have no problem with you witnessing my performance while in the run and keeping a local copy of in on your PC, though. you were there to witness the run and the tool itself is useful for sussing out problems on the fly
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    Quote Originally Posted by spagthetapdancer View Post
    in I can inject myself into this:

    Privacy. that's the biggest reason. being "public" is not a default status I have turned on. I do not upload my logs, as far as I can tell. I do not present padded parses, or poor parses. I do not present any. and I don't want you having access to my performance stats without my consent. someone else consenting to release data on me to a public database is something I dislike thoroughly. it isn't about hiding anything, as I don't hide that my dpsing background is limited, I haven't run savage this tier, and I usually pull 2800-4000. I don't mind telling you these things on my own. I just don't want my privacy to wither for the sake of your convenience.
    I have no problem with you witnessing my performance while in the run and keeping a local copy of in on your PC, though. you were there to witness the run and the tool itself is useful for sussing out problems on the fly
    Does this apply to people uploading screenshots of you ingame? What about a video of a fight where you are involved in? Or if you join a group with a streamer?

    Privacy concerns are all well and good for certain things, but this isn't one of them. None of your real life information is included. If you want to opt out, verify your character on the website and change the settings. Rather than demanding no-one else can view statistics on a website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon View Post
    Does this apply to people uploading screenshots of you ingame? What about a video of a fight where you are involved in? Or if you join a group with a streamer?

    Privacy concerns are all well and good for certain things, but this isn't one of them. None of your real life information is included. If you want to opt out, verify your character on the website and change the settings. Rather than demanding no-one else can view statistics on a website.
    Those should all be done with the consent of those involved, or names need to be hidden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon View Post
    Does this apply to people uploading screenshots of you ingame? What about a video of a fight where you are involved in? Or if you join a group with a streamer?
    Privacy concerns are all well and good for certain things, but this isn't one of them. None of your real life information is included. If you want to opt out, verify your character on the website and change the settings. Rather than demanding no-one else can view statistics on a website.
    good question, and the sort that is best addressed per example.
    Screenshots of me in-game: I don't mind this because the only information being portrayed is my appearance. unless someone goes through the absurd amount of work necessary to assemble a stop-go animation style slide show, it does not pose a risk to my privacy to have my mere appearance given. I am willing to allow anyone that happens to be in my vicinity to screenshot me without my notice.
    Video of a fight I'm involved in: hmm....this is a toughie. I'd really prefer they didn't unless I was told about it.
    Stream Runs: I join groups with streamers in other games all the time, volunteering to do so. I surf dark souls 3 streams for streamers to co-op with. I consider such a thing consentual as long as everyone knows ahead of time. Hell, to stream regularly is something I'd like to do someday myself.

    Also, can I really log into FFLogs and set it so that data on me is excluded from their listings? if so, good on them and that'd ease my concerns a good deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spagthetapdancer View Post

    Also, can I really log into FFLogs and set it so that data on me is excluded from their listings? if so, good on them and that'd ease my concerns a good deal.
    They have a system where you can claim you character and you can set your logs to hidden, though I am strongly of the opinion it should be default hidden have to be set to visible.

    https://www.fflogs.com/help/hidingcharacters/
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    Last edited by jameseoakes; 12-31-2017 at 11:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    They have a system where you can claim you character and you can set your logs to hidden,

    https://www.fflogs.com/help/hidingcharacters/
    excellent. I prefer opt in to opt out but I guess this will have to do ^_^.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    Those should all be done with the consent of those involved, or names need to be hidden.
    I didn't consent to you quoting my post. By your argument, you should have asked for consent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spagthetapdancer View Post
    in I can inject myself into this:

    Privacy. that's the biggest reason.
    That's a fair response aye <3

    I guess at the end of the day, it's very much a personal choice, some won't be comfortable with even their character's 'data' being in the public domain whilst others (I fall into this camp I guess!) scratch their heads wondering what all the fuss is about.
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    Tangman Selarispar
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    I feel I should participate in this thread (I'm the Warrior, btw) as this thread was brought to my attention by my FC.
    Where did I kick you for doing poor DPS? We even killed it once, even though your performance is questionable at best, and nobody kicked you. I got 3 static friends that wanted to join for some late night fun. I have never kicked a person for low performance, if anyone deserved a kick in that group its the Paladin who killed all the DPS.

    I haven't read any rules that forbid me to play with my friends, if I offended you then its not my intent. With that said however....

    If you feel to bring up the DPS being the reason you got kicked, perhaps that is something you should improve on, rather than sit at your throughput level and point fingers how others are rude, mean and derogatory towards you on the internet. I personally prefer the option to find a guide on someone good, and learn from their knowledge they freely share with the community.
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