This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Then, I'm in the minority. I get that you want parties that can clear and where everyone pulls their weight. I just take issue with the generalization that because someone doesn't have FFLogs means that person is looking for a carry. It's not true 100% of the time. I don't know, I guess it's just different expectations from the game. To me, it sounds extremely elitist that someone has to have a third party item as "proof" or they "deserve" a blacklist.

I'll bluntly state, I typically check everyone's logs who join a farm party I've involved with for no other reason than to gauge my expectations. The less experience, the less likely I'll stay beyond a handful of attempts because I just don't believe enough players have the skill to clear. When I plan to farm something like Shinryu EX, I'm looking for fast and efficient runs, not multiple wipes to silly mistakes. Why? Because unless I get lucky, I'll be doing this for a minimum of 99 times. Now exceptions can be made. If the group has a good atmosphere and makes the attempts humorous, I may stick around longer even if it's less productive. I don't simply look at FFlogs, see a bunch of green and grey and immediately think you're trash. I just like knowing what I'm getting into, especially if I'm on tank or healer. A weaker co-tank means I may have to adjust my playstyle. Likewise, on healer, I am very aggressive and like having a general idea of what my co-healer can handle. If they have grey parses, I'm going to be far more DPS oriented to make up for their lack of damage. On the other hand, if their HPS is equally low, or they tend to DPS only, I know to put myself in the "healer" role.

Basically, FFlogs gives me a buffer instead of adjusting while completely blind. If you hide your logs, sorry, but I will assume you have something to hide. That may not be the case, however many people I've come across do so to hide poor performance.

it's still there in the log with no explanation of why my numbers were terrible or why maybe my rotation was shoddy.

Like Hoodrat mentioned, FFlogs provides that context if you know how to use it properly. I can deduce exactly how you died, what killed you and why. Right up to if it was someone else's mistake that snowballed.

[akaneakki]

If you cant argue without reaching for the extremes, I'm gonna end this discussion right here

Doing something so standar and so easy isn't extreme or world top player gameplay. If you want to be a top player you need to orginize your cooldowns together, uptime strats for melees, knowing 100% in and out how a fight works and use cooldowns like it seems like you never was outside tank stance. These are just examples, we are asking for people to actually do a normal rotation and manage to know how their class works. Hell keeping aggro these days is too much to ask for? I actually got KICKED from a dungeon taking aggro from a tank, just because I did a propper rotation on a boss and took aggro from him. How sad is that.

[Fhaerron]

This is exactly WHY this game needs a parser (officially supported one).

There's no (officially supported) one right now and you have this shit, nothing will change when one will be added as the bad is already happening now.

Make use of your blacklist, you have it for something.

I shouldn't be penalized because you don't know how to use blacklist or other people like to leech in raids, A parser is a great measurement tool and will help me great way in order to keep improving myself.

[Rikuide]

This is exactly WHY this game needs a parser (officially supported one).

There's no (officially supported) one right now and you have this shit, nothing will change when one will be added as the bad is already happening now.

Make use of your blacklist, you have it for something.

I shouldn't be penalized because you don't know how to use blacklist or other people like to leech in raids, A parser is a great measurement tool and will help me great way in order to keep improving myself.

This is SE we're talking about. Their solution to toxic players in PvP was to remove the chat function. They're more likely to remove DPS checks and have us run around like the second boss in Bardam's Mettle than introduce a parser.

[KaivaC]

This is SE we're talking about. Their solution to toxic players in PvP was to remove the chat function. They're more likely to remove DPS checks and have us run around like the second boss in Bardam's Mettle than introduce a parser.

To be fair, that boss brought in some mechanics that players, even jump potion users, should know by now and they still fail it. We can discuss parses and whatnot all we want, but there are still players who think that getting a stack marker means run away with a full party alive.

[Jijifli]

This is SE we're talking about. Their solution to toxic players in PvP was to remove the chat function. They're more likely to remove DPS checks and have us run around like the second boss in Bardam's Mettle than introduce a parser.

This is the playerbase we're talking about here. Some of them couldn't even do Bardam's second boss. That was fun to solo...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

To be fair, that boss brought in some mechanics that players, even jump potion users, should know by now and they still fail it. We can discuss parses and whatnot all we want, but there are still players who think that getting a stack marker means run away with a full party alive.

To which I say, why wasn't this in a new Hall of the Novice? I've noticed an increasing trend with SB dungeons. They keep adding gimmicks to one of the bosses, which get tedious very quickly, especially if you play jobs with a resource you have to maintain and said gimmick messes it up.

[Anzaman]

How so, though? Why hide your logs if you have nothing to hide?

Not much of point to reveal them either if you have uploaded nothing in there.

[Baalfrog]

This is the playerbase we're talking about here. Some of them couldn't even do Bardam's second boss. That was fun to solo...

I mean its not like it matters, you just keep dodging and thats that?

[Tridus]

If a tank dies to a tank buster because they didn't use a CD, they can be booted for it. No violation of any rules. If a DPS does too little damage and you use a parser to determine that (since its the only way to do so), and boot them for doing too little. Despite that being just as important and vital as a tank using a CD, its considered 'harassment'.

There's a serious double standard on this stuff. Tank and healer poor play is very, very visible and very, very obvious. DPS are okay with that.

Parsers make DPS poor play very, very obvious. DPS think that's massively unfair, elitist, and toxic.

DPS then wonder why they have 20 minute queues waiting for tanks and healers.