This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[HyoMinPark]

Think of it this way. How many toxic assholes are not being toxic just because they're afraid someone will report them for parsing?

Got any proof of those heavy assumptions? How many of these silent players do you think just carry bad players because they don't want to risk getting reported/banned because someone's feelings got hurt, and they automatically take it out on the person who was supposedly parsing instead of looking at what they possibly did wrong (because, remember, bad players do no wrong; everyone else are the mean elitists for not carrying them or putting up with their poor play in farm parties).

[PArcher]

And I hold no qualms about people with parsers getting blamed when you're not supposed to be doing it in the first place. SE's just allowing it because they know damn well they cant stop everyone, instead only threatening to drop the hammer if you act like an asshole with the information you collect through it

Even Yoshi-P has said that you can use parsers; just do not harass people with them.

[Lazaruz]

Even Yoshi-P has said that you can use parsers; just do not harass people with them.

I would advise you to read that last part of my post again

SE's just allowing it because they know damn well they cant stop everyone, instead only threatening to drop the hammer if you act like an asshole with the information you collect through it

a.k.a you can parse. But harass people with the numbers and SE will take action

What would you consider a MNK in a V2S farm that uses Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Rockbreaker, then? Bad player or "not 100% optimized"?

If you cant argue without reaching for the extremes, I'm gonna end this discussion right here

[HyoMinPark]

If you cant argue without reaching for the extremes, I'm gonna end this discussion right here

Not an extreme; that is something I have actually seen. But how about these examples:
--A BRD that never uses Tactician or Refresh, even when asked by the healers for MP
--A BLM that never uses anything above a level 50 or 60 rotation
--An "Ice Mage"
--A DRG that won't use Heavy Thrust, or their Chaos Thrust combo
--A MNK that doesn't use Fists of Fire
--A SAM who doesn't manage Shifu or Jinpu buffs
--A RDM that refuses to help Raise
--A SMN that refuses to help Raise
--A SMN that never uses their DoTs, or has their pets on Sic
--A tank that won't use proper mitigation; ever
--A tank that cannot hold aggro while in their tank stance
--A healer that is careless with their MP, be it from overhealing or from too much DPSing
--A healer that won't heal

"Bad player" or "not 100% optimized"?


Your arguments are all about the potential for abuse. Anything and everything has a potential for abuse. Vote Kick features, Party Finder restrictions, Vote Abandon features. They can all be abused. Does that mean they should also be removed because the potential for abuse exists?

I reiterate again: people who parse, the majority do not expect 95th percentile play from people that aren't part of their hardcore static (if they are in one). They expect people to pull their weight, but they do not expect perfection. Perfection is unobtainable. And, again, toxiticty exists in everything; it isn't exclusive to parsers.

[HoodRat]

Secondly, while I personally don't have much to hide, I don't like the idea of someone just being able to search up my character and attempt a "GOTCHA! YOU SUCK!" post or something. (No, not saying that's all people do with logs or anything just...it’s an example I guess?). But yeah, the whole "Someone being able to look up your character and see every raid, trial, and bit of content you've done." concept really creeps me out and I don't like that, so I hide that stuff to keep some form of privacy. If I want to discuss my overall performance or my track record with people, I want it to be with people I trust and know aren't going to be asses or condescending about it. (I know, I repeat myself a lot but it helps get the points across.)

Fflogs doesn't automatically record everything you do, it has to be uploaded. So if "every raid, trial, and bit of content you've done" is uploaded, I'd say it's safe to assume you're the one uploading it. And I don't understand why you would upload everything you do if you don't like the idea of people seeing it.

it's still there in the log with no explanation of why my numbers were terrible or why maybe my rotation was shoddy. It's not that I have something to HIDE, it's just that you're only ever going to get one side of the story.

Fflogs shows a ton of information. People can see what abilities you used and in what order, how many times you used them, what buffs/debuffs you had, how long you spent standing idle, how many times you died, what you died to, when you died, and even how you moved around during the fight.

judging by the fact that I had FFlogs data of me uploaded without my concent

Don't flatter yourself, as someone said earlier, people don't go around intentionally uploading parses to make people look bad.

[akaneakki]

If you cant argue without reaching for the extremes, I'm gonna end this discussion right here

Doing something so standar and so easy isn't extreme or world top player gameplay. If you want to be a top player you need to orginize your cooldowns together, uptime strats for melees, knowing 100% in and out how a fight works and use cooldowns like it seems like you never was outside tank stance. These are just examples, we are asking for people to actually do a normal rotation and manage to know how their class works. Hell keeping aggro these days is too much to ask for? I actually got KICKED from a dungeon taking aggro from a tank, just because I did a propper rotation on a boss and took aggro from him. How sad is that.

[jameseoakes]

You've proven to be super anti-parsing and anti FFLogs. You've hidden your logs as well, which screams that you don't want to be called out for being bad and want to just get carried.

Don't ever forget, you're playing a team game. The moment you join a party you need to pull your weight instead of harassing everyone by playing super suboptimally and looking to get carried.

"You don't pay my sub!" doesn't work the second you do any group content. Keep playing solo if you want to just be bad.

Those are some pretty big assumptions there and an unnecessarily aggressive post either way.

[HyoMinPark]

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What would you consider a MNK in a V2S farm that uses Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Rockbreaker, then? Bad player or "not 100% optimized"?

You seem to miss the point that a lot of people who parse do not demand 95th percentile play outside of anything but their own statics (if they are part of a hardcore static). You also missed the point that toxicity is not exclusive to parsing.

[Jijifli]

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Okay hold up here. You're saying we should not allow built in support Parsing, because there's a CHANCE someone will abuse it? Allow me to take this to the extreme then. Remove emotes, people can abuse them to flood your chat or harass you (Lala's can pat your butts/breasts.) Remove chat, there's a chance I can say something really really mean in it to someone, or someone could tell another to do suicide. Remove Materia, someone might get mad my bard has a Direct Hit instead of a Crit in 1 slot and harass me. Remove every attack that doesn't need a target, people can spam it and annoy another player. Remove the ability to name your character, someone might put a mean word.

Now you might respond with, "But you're taking that too far," but I'm not. All of these cases, you can fix the PERSON being the problem with reporting. So why is Parsing different? If your scared people might be mean with it in chat, removing chat would do the same thing, but you wouldn't like that because it removes the positives, right? Same for people that parse. They can take the positives. Rotation improving. Figuring out what people are doing to help others. Knowing who's doing level 45 damage in SHINRYU EX of all places and harming the run.

Tl;dr

There's more to toxic than just parsing someone...