This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[BluexBird]

Yo, I'm sorry but from that screenshot you posted, it seems this has NOTHING to do with parsing and everything to do with the tank complaining that the other tank wasn't doing mechanics properly.

And even if parsing didn't exist in any shape or form (unofficial or not), I bet this guy would still be as "toxic" as you think he's being. So please... knock it off with the "OMG PARSERS ARE BAD CUZ JERKS EXIST" attitude, and just deal with it like a mature person. If you see someone is being a dick about something, either kick them out or go find a new party with the people who agree with you.

3,5k-4k is way more than enough for o2s

That's around what the tanks should be doing.

No. That's what a tank with the best gear and who uses pots ends up doing. Higher if they're optimizing party buffs. And even higher if they end up with a lucky run where they landed lots of critical/direct hits. But expecting tanks to do over 3.5k is borderline elitism. DPS should easily be staying above 4k though, but factoring deaths it is not unusual to see them drop to the 3.5k-4k range.

Actually this is why we need a parser in the game, so people can actually see themselves how bad they perform.

Not gonna lie... I laughed way harder than I probably should have at this. It sounds so mean but at the same time it would get people to open their eyes. Thing is, I believe if someone isn't doing that great, there's a high chance they're still learning the fight. So it's not fair to immediately point fingers and kick people off just based on their parse damage. I remember when I was learning A10S, I was in a lot of parties who kept yelling at me for staying in Defiance too much. When the fact is I was still unsure of how the fight went, and I had died lots of times before due to not having enough HP. So at least give people the benefit of the doubt if they're not doing as best as they can. Sometimes it doesn't mean they're bad, but just that they haven't done the fight as much as you have.

[jameseoakes]

Your logs are there for all to see and they show a MCH who can't even hit 4K (even in deathless runs).

You're the DPS who's never had to accept responsibility for your performance - your previous groups just having to make up for your low damage. When someone snaps and tells you how it is, you run to the forums and spin the anti-parser narrative. ACT and FFlogs are tools - they can be used to help players or they can be used to flame players. Responsibility for those actions rests with the players, not the tool.

Toxicity is a problem. Players who require carries are also a problem.

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

[akaneakki]

Not gonna lie... I laughed way harder than I probably should have at this. It sounds so mean but at the same time it would get people to open their eyes. .

Tbh, if someone is still fresh to a fight, thats another thing. I play a lot of classes and each class I try to master in every fight (99th on war, whm and drg in most ex primals and savage). To me even if the fight has been done many times, the classes are played different and you need to understand how the fight goes with your class you are playing. Another thing is to act ''high and mighty'' and run to a forum saying they could done more than the tank if they never died, but they have an average grey percentile without deaths. That's something they shouldn't do. Obviously most people agree with me on this, that if people are new to a fight or still somewhat fresh to it, just a few clear that's fine... if they act they know the fight perfectly fine and perform bad.. well thats another story.

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

Also a wakeup call for those who ''abuse'' players to play well for them to get a clear or farm. It's also a tool to tell people without anyone needing to open their mouth how bad or good they perform too. For instance having an official parser would slap many players in this game and we both know it.

[HoodRat]

No. That's what a tank with the best gear and who uses pots ends up doing. Higher if they're optimizing party buffs. And even higher if they end up with a lucky run where they landed lots of critical/direct hits. But expecting tanks to do over 3.5k is borderline elitism. DPS should easily be staying above 4k though, but factoring deaths it is not unusual to see them drop to the 3.5k-4k range.

You can easily hit 3.5k dps as a tank without BiS, food, or pots.

[Tridus]

So your only recourse is to try a different combination of buttons. But which one? The parser doesn't give you any hints. Your options to improve now are to mash buttons at random, for example by throwing a cat on the keyboard, guessing or simply copying someone else, or systematically analyze your skills and mathematically optimize potency per second. But if you do the latter, you already got the solution to your issue without a parser and the parser can only help you double check your math by giving you differing results if you fauxed up or confirming what you already knew if you didn't.

And how do you know if you did the analysis correctly without data to test it? How do you know if you copied someone else correctly, or if the person you're copying from even knows what they're talking about without data to test it?

Oh, wait. Sounds like you need a parser to have visibility into what's working and what isn't, which is exactly what I said in the first place.

You think those world firsts and people coming up with the rotations and stat priorities everyone is copying did it without any parsers?

[Tridus]

I feel that you cannot make people do stuff they do not want to do. Players that want help/advice will seek out aid out of their own volition. Criticism/suggestions from external sources will not necessarily make people want to improve. People that want to improve are already motivated to do that on their own.

But you have to realize there's a problem before you seek out help/advice. When you can simply be carried through most of the content in the game there doesn't appear to be any problem. It only slaps you when you hit an enrage or a group where everything takes forever, and then said players are more likely to blame everyone else.

The game never tells you if you're part of the problem, and why seek out advice if you think everything's fine and it's just everyone else that is bad?

[AiharaMizuki]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...yM47LjqnU/edit

Here you go OP.

[MoroMurasaki]

The game never tells you if you're part of the problem, and why seek out advice if you think everything's fine and it's just everyone else that is bad?

This flashes me back to your recent Keeper of the Lake disband.

At one point someone in the party was parsing and one DPS was doing more DPS on the final boss than the rest of the party combined. That means that other DPS (and tank and healer imo) have gotten to 50 on their selected roles without ever having to do a respectable amount of DPS.

Now if at the end of every dungeon a big F showed up on the screen for them with an overlay of "this was your dps, this is the usual expected dps for your job in this instance" that showed them they were missing key skill/gear upgrades maybe that group would have cleared.

[HyoMinPark]

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

It also reveals the truth when it comes to stories like this one.

"The run was going fine! Smooth and easy!"

A WAR doing more damage than 3 of the DPS, even if they all died once, is not "smooth" or "easy".

[Baalfrog]

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

Its not like you can't go there and make it all private if you don't want people to see it.... Also fairly certain if anyone ever uploads a parse, its so they can see their own performance, be it for further analysis or to see how it compares on ladders, not because "OOOH that dude was so bad, I'm going to upload!"