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  1. #11
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    Elitist jerks and toxicity aren't gonna be a problem if SE add a parse to the game... yeah right
    Because god forbid that DPS get held to account in endgame content.

    Yes the tank's attitude sucked, but so did your DPS /shrug.

    Yes it can merrily be argued that you did 'enough', but you've got a lot of room to do better and IMHO you'll achieve far more channeling this energy into asking for advice and working on your standard of play.
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    Sylvina Eon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    O2S run going very well, despite a mistake from a tank that did get all dps killed we completed this way before the enrage.

    Warrior of the group who was all the time talking about his precious dps and fflogs getting the faulty tank kicked, as well as 3 dps because "shit the rest of you".



    Elitist jerks and toxicity aren't gonna be a problem if SE add a parse to the game... yeah right
    I think a parse could be helpful but ONLY if you're the only one who can see it. Allowing other people to see your dps anytime as a game policy will only lead to things like this.
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  3. #13
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    I don't understand. I see an idiot being an idiot. He'll be an idiot with or without official parsers. So this is supposed to be a parser deterrent because... why exactly?
    Because parsers becoming mandatory is gonna bring even more idiotic attitudes into the game ?

    Anyway after a few searches seems like in some countrys shit is indeed used as a means to say "good luck", even in spanish, so i will try to think it was used this way

    As for my dps even if i know that i am not the best MCH out there and i can indeed improve, 3,5k-4k is way more than enough for o2s, we are gonna end as World of Warcraft with stupidly high requirements for easy content.
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    Sylvina Eon
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    I would say anyone who even remotely defends that tanks behavior is just being almost as bad as he was. Nobody can defend that, and saying your dps "sucked" when you're doing plenty for the content is just stupid.
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  5. #15
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    Ursa Nightrain
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    Mateus
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    I don't mind being held accountable for my own dps, but when people start talking about their parse numbers, my brain shuts off. I feel like parsing is just a way to micromanage. I have no issues with people getting their props for doing well, or ejecting a scrub from their midst who is just wants a free ride but I feel that it takes away from the actual point of the duty, which is to kill what you're aiming at. Parsing should be a point of pride, not a necessity or mandate.

    If I feel I'm not performing to the group's needs then I'll leave of my own volition. However, I'm used to pug groups and getting through content with what's available no matter what (cause I'm not losing my Roulette to a rage quit--ain't nobody got time for that). I'm glad that I have no interest in the High-End duties because it seems like that's about to become an exclusive club.
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  6. #16
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    Ethan Vayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    Because parsers becoming mandatory is gonna bring even more idiotic attitudes into the game ?
    That's not exclusive to people who parse but okay. :^)
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  7. #17
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    Cecelia Stormfeather
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    we are gonna end as World of Warcraft with stupidly high requirements for easy content.
    You mean like the 330 ilvl required Lakshmi groups I see in PF? Comical stuff.

    The counter point to this is that I just did a Keeper of the Lake where we kept wiping on the last boss, and everything was taking FOREVER to die. Without a parser I have no way of knowing if the problem is me, the other DPS, or something else. At that point a toxic person like the guy in this thread will get toxic anyway, they just won't have anything to go on.

    Hiding data doesn't magically make people nicer. It just makes it easier for bad DPS players to not realize that there's a problem.
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  8. #18
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    Trust me, the way that tank acted is reportable. I got a warning for less.
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    I'm not trying to nitpick here, but I don't think that you understand (at least from what was said in the screenshot) that he wasn't exactly calling other people "shit" he basically stated, albeit in a vulgar way "Tough luck the rest of you." While I in no way condone how he was acting towards the raid, twisting people's words to fit your personal narrative to paint them in a negative light is just as bad.
    You said it before me. Some people love to twist words. You see it too often.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    Because parsers becoming mandatory is gonna bring even more idiotic attitudes into the game ?
    You basically just said people shouldn't be allowed to play the game because it can make them toxic. You just did, believe it or not. You said just now that parser makes people toxic and elitist, so what does that make players being a-holes in the game? Parser or not that guys attitude wouldn't change. It was pretty obvious probably you all did bad because how slow the boss died, you don't need a parser for that. So what is this thread about again?
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    Last edited by akaneakki; 12-30-2017 at 12:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    O2S run going very well, despite a mistake from a tank that did get all dps killed we completed this way before the enrage.

    Warrior of the group who was all the time talking about his precious dps and fflogs getting the faulty tank kicked, as well as 3 dps because "shit the rest of you".



    Elitist jerks and toxicity aren't gonna be a problem if SE add a parse to the game... yeah right
    Parse or not it wouldn't change his attitude.

    Like, that isn't hard to grasp. The people that would be rude with parsers, ALREADY are being rude with parsers. The difference is that we could have always accurate information with a SE supported parser.

    Also, still casual mention to AST maximize you do need to parse. If my card isn't expanded for dps, how do I know if the NIN is doing more than the SAM? Who gets this card? Time to stare at their animations to see who's doing better.
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