This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[ElHeggunte]

I don't understand. I see an idiot being an idiot. He'll be an idiot with or without official parsers. So this is supposed to be a parser deterrent because... why exactly?

[Lazaruz]

I don't understand. I see an idiot being an idiot. He'll be an idiot with or without official parsers. So this is supposed to be a parser deterrent because... why exactly?

Think of it this way. How many toxic assholes are not being toxic just because they're afraid someone will report them for parsing?

[HoodRat]

Think of it this way. How many toxic assholes are not being toxic just because they're afraid someone will report them for parsing?

So wait...are you saying that harassment will no longer be a punishable offense if SE adds an official parser?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Think of it this way. How many toxic assholes are not being toxic just because they're afraid someone will report them for parsing?

About the same amount of toxic assholes who don't use parses yet have no qualms blaming the healer, tank or decrying how bad everyone else is yet when if you do happen to be running a parse, they're the ones lagging behind? If a person is willing to be an antagonistic, they don't need a parse. I know someone who simply says, "Does someone need to me link job guides?" That's passive aggressive at its finest. Hell, if you want to call someone out you just claim you've "watched their rotation" and voila. No mention of parses.

Once again, if GMs do their job and warn/ban toxic people. This wouldn't become an issue.

[Tridus]

About the same amount of toxic assholes who don't use parses yet have no qualms blaming the healer, tank or decrying how bad everyone else is yet when if you do happen to be running a parse, they're the ones lagging behind? If a person is willing to be an antagonistic, they don't need a parse. I know someone who simply says, "Does someone need to me link job guides?" That's passive aggressive at its finest. Hell, if you want to call someone out you just claim you've "watched their rotation" and voila. No mention of parses.

Once again, if GMs do their job and warn/ban toxic people. This wouldn't become an issue.

^ This. We already have people tossing blame around randomly when a group fails and nobody has a parser. I fail to see how that's better than being able to see what's actually going on. If being toxic is a bannable offense, that'll still be true later.

I mean, it's not like parsing isn't happening now. It's just not happening on an equal footing between PC players who know how to do it, and PC players who don't know/PS4 players who can't.

[HyoMinPark]

Think of it this way. How many toxic assholes are not being toxic just because they're afraid someone will report them for parsing?

Got any proof of those heavy assumptions? How many of these silent players do you think just carry bad players because they don't want to risk getting reported/banned because someone's feelings got hurt, and they automatically take it out on the person who was supposedly parsing instead of looking at what they possibly did wrong (because, remember, bad players do no wrong; everyone else are the mean elitists for not carrying them or putting up with their poor play in farm parties).

[PArcher]

And I hold no qualms about people with parsers getting blamed when you're not supposed to be doing it in the first place. SE's just allowing it because they know damn well they cant stop everyone, instead only threatening to drop the hammer if you act like an asshole with the information you collect through it

Even Yoshi-P has said that you can use parsers; just do not harass people with them.

[Lazaruz]

Even Yoshi-P has said that you can use parsers; just do not harass people with them.

I would advise you to read that last part of my post again

SE's just allowing it because they know damn well they cant stop everyone, instead only threatening to drop the hammer if you act like an asshole with the information you collect through it

a.k.a you can parse. But harass people with the numbers and SE will take action

What would you consider a MNK in a V2S farm that uses Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Rockbreaker, then? Bad player or "not 100% optimized"?

If you cant argue without reaching for the extremes, I'm gonna end this discussion right here

[HyoMinPark]

If you cant argue without reaching for the extremes, I'm gonna end this discussion right here

Not an extreme; that is something I have actually seen. But how about these examples:
--A BRD that never uses Tactician or Refresh, even when asked by the healers for MP
--A BLM that never uses anything above a level 50 or 60 rotation
--An "Ice Mage"
--A DRG that won't use Heavy Thrust, or their Chaos Thrust combo
--A MNK that doesn't use Fists of Fire
--A SAM who doesn't manage Shifu or Jinpu buffs
--A RDM that refuses to help Raise
--A SMN that refuses to help Raise
--A SMN that never uses their DoTs, or has their pets on Sic
--A tank that won't use proper mitigation; ever
--A tank that cannot hold aggro while in their tank stance
--A healer that is careless with their MP, be it from overhealing or from too much DPSing
--A healer that won't heal

"Bad player" or "not 100% optimized"?


Your arguments are all about the potential for abuse. Anything and everything has a potential for abuse. Vote Kick features, Party Finder restrictions, Vote Abandon features. They can all be abused. Does that mean they should also be removed because the potential for abuse exists?

I reiterate again: people who parse, the majority do not expect 95th percentile play from people that aren't part of their hardcore static (if they are in one). They expect people to pull their weight, but they do not expect perfection. Perfection is unobtainable. And, again, toxiticty exists in everything; it isn't exclusive to parsers.

[HoodRat]

Secondly, while I personally don't have much to hide, I don't like the idea of someone just being able to search up my character and attempt a "GOTCHA! YOU SUCK!" post or something. (No, not saying that's all people do with logs or anything just...it’s an example I guess?). But yeah, the whole "Someone being able to look up your character and see every raid, trial, and bit of content you've done." concept really creeps me out and I don't like that, so I hide that stuff to keep some form of privacy. If I want to discuss my overall performance or my track record with people, I want it to be with people I trust and know aren't going to be asses or condescending about it. (I know, I repeat myself a lot but it helps get the points across.)

Fflogs doesn't automatically record everything you do, it has to be uploaded. So if "every raid, trial, and bit of content you've done" is uploaded, I'd say it's safe to assume you're the one uploading it. And I don't understand why you would upload everything you do if you don't like the idea of people seeing it.

it's still there in the log with no explanation of why my numbers were terrible or why maybe my rotation was shoddy. It's not that I have something to HIDE, it's just that you're only ever going to get one side of the story.

Fflogs shows a ton of information. People can see what abilities you used and in what order, how many times you used them, what buffs/debuffs you had, how long you spent standing idle, how many times you died, what you died to, when you died, and even how you moved around during the fight.

judging by the fact that I had FFlogs data of me uploaded without my concent

Don't flatter yourself, as someone said earlier, people don't go around intentionally uploading parses to make people look bad.