This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Kleeya]

If i didn't get killed because of the tank's fault, i would have get more dps than him. The only run i get as low is because other people were getting killed left and right too.

Don't change the fact that the group wasn't even advertised as "already finished", so he looked like a training one. And doesn't excuse to say something rude like "shit the rest of you", instead of "i am sorry but i did forgot to advertise this was a high dps group for my precious fflogs".

[Selova]

If i didn't get killed because of the tank's fault, i would have get more dps than him. The only run i get as low is because other people were getting killed left and right too.

Don't change the fact that the group wasn't even advertised as "already finished", so he looked like a training one. And doesn't excuse to say something rude like "shit the rest of you", instead of "i am sorry but i did forgot to advertise this was a high dps group for my precious fflogs".

I'm not trying to nitpick here, but I don't think that you understand (at least from what was said in the screenshot) that he wasn't exactly calling other people "shit" he basically stated, albeit in a vulgar way "Tough luck the rest of you." While I in no way condone how he was acting towards the raid, twisting people's words to fit your personal narrative to paint them in a negative light is just as bad.

[akaneakki]

I'm not trying to nitpick here, but I don't think that you understand (at least from what was said in the screenshot) that he wasn't exactly calling other people "shit" he basically stated, albeit in a vulgar way "Tough luck the rest of you." While I in no way condone how he was acting towards the raid, twisting people's words to fit your personal narrative to paint them in a negative light is just as bad.

You said it before me. Some people love to twist words. You see it too often.

Because parsers becoming mandatory is gonna bring even more idiotic attitudes into the game ?

You basically just said people shouldn't be allowed to play the game because it can make them toxic. You just did, believe it or not. You said just now that parser makes people toxic and elitist, so what does that make players being a-holes in the game? Parser or not that guys attitude wouldn't change. It was pretty obvious probably you all did bad because how slow the boss died, you don't need a parser for that. So what is this thread about again?

[Rikuide]

If i didn't get killed because of the tank's fault, i would have get more dps than him. The only run i get as low is because other people were getting killed left and right too.

Your logs are there for all to see and they show a MCH who can't even hit 4K (even in deathless runs).

You're the DPS who's never had to accept responsibility for your performance - your previous groups just having to make up for your low damage. When someone snaps and tells you how it is, you run to the forums and spin the anti-parser narrative. ACT and FFlogs are tools - they can be used to help players or they can be used to flame players. Responsibility for those actions rests with the players, not the tool.

Toxicity is a problem. Players who require carries are also a problem.

[jameseoakes]

Your logs are there for all to see and they show a MCH who can't even hit 4K (even in deathless runs).

You're the DPS who's never had to accept responsibility for your performance - your previous groups just having to make up for your low damage. When someone snaps and tells you how it is, you run to the forums and spin the anti-parser narrative. ACT and FFlogs are tools - they can be used to help players or they can be used to flame players. Responsibility for those actions rests with the players, not the tool.

Toxicity is a problem. Players who require carries are also a problem.

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

[HyoMinPark]

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

It also reveals the truth when it comes to stories like this one.

"The run was going fine! Smooth and easy!"

A WAR doing more damage than 3 of the DPS, even if they all died once, is not "smooth" or "easy".

[Canadane]

It also reveals the truth when it comes to stories like this one.

"The run was going fine! Smooth and easy!"

A WAR doing more damage than 3 of the DPS, even if they all died once, is not "smooth" or "easy".

To people who are likely used to underperforming groups including themselves, finding a decent tank does likely make a run smoother than what they're used to.

[Baalfrog]

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

Its not like you can't go there and make it all private if you don't want people to see it.... Also fairly certain if anyone ever uploads a parse, its so they can see their own performance, be it for further analysis or to see how it compares on ladders, not because "OOOH that dude was so bad, I'm going to upload!"

[jameseoakes]

Its not like you can't go there and make it all private if you don't want people to see it.... Also fairly certain if anyone ever uploads a parse, its so they can see their own performance, be it for further analysis or to see how it compares on ladders, not because "OOOH that dude was so bad, I'm going to upload!"

Well I've got parse data on there despite not having access to a parser. It should be set to hidden by default as you have to know it exists to be able to do that. FFlogs should not be treated as something that is required in end game.

[PArcher]

Well I've got parse data on there despite not having access to a parser. It should be set to hidden by default as you have to know it exists to be able to do that. FFlogs should not be treated as something that is required in end game.

I'll be completely honest here; most people who do not want data on them almost always have something to hide. Here, its usually really poor play because they don't want to put the effort in to learning how to play their job properly and want to get carried (includes tanks who don't swap into DPS stance or never use cooldowns and 0 DPS healers). In the endgame, you are expected to know your job and actually try to do well, FFLogs is one easy tool to use to check that.

Good farm groups will look someone up on FFLogs as they join parties to see what kind of player they're getting; if they see only grey logs (or no logs at all) they know they got someone hoping for a carry, which isn't something these groups want (and if its someone who hasn't cleared...well, they're really hoping for a carry in a farm party and deserve the kick and blacklist they're getting).