This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Lord_Zlatan]

Instead of an actual parse that gives you the detailed breakdown on a player by player basis, how bout a percentage calculator?

in an 8 man party setting with 2 tanks, 2 healers, and 4 DPS, each player (if divided equally) is accountable for 12.5% of the total damage dealt.

This means that the DPS as a whole is responsible for 50% of the damage dealt on any given encounter.

At the end of the encounter, it would be nice to see your individual % of the damage done (I would not be opposed to having everyones displayed) and maybe a "key word" that helps you identify if that were good or bad. So at the end of the encounter it woud look like this... (Ill use my character and alts name).

Zlatan Tarrant (DRG) : 20.5% Excellent
Axel Stone (MNK) : 12.5% Average
The'big Red'Machine (BLM) : 9% (poor)

I think this would be good on many fronts. It would allow individuals to see what they did. They can either be OK with it, or reflect and possibly strive to get better. If this is just a DF party, then the information would likely be fore personal use only.

If its not a DF party, and assuming that your fellow parrty mates arent complete asshats, they could perhaps offer suggestions.

[Deithwen]

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I'm affraid this would be like having a parser without all the benefits it brings. It wouldn't prevent harassement, because one could still blame someone for poor play but without being able to analyse what they did wrong to improve...

Also, in a 8 man party, 4 DPS should always deal more than 50% of the group damages, if the damages are 50/50 between DPS and tanks/healers, then the DPS are pretty bad imo ^^

[Lord_Zlatan]

snipped because of character limit ; ;

right, just wanted to use easy numbers to convey the point.

The problem I have with parsers is that they give too much information (not a bad thing) but people dont want to hear about ALL of the reasons they did poorly (I wouldnt mind). Percentage/rating would allow YOU the player to see that you arent doing well. Having someone else tell you (whether it is substantiated by numbers or not) will always end in one player (often the accused) thinking its just the other players opinion or that they are just "being a d*ck).

Putting the ball in the players individual court means its on them to improve.

[Gleipni]

Maybe what we need,is dedicated world (for RP....joke) depending what kind of community you want, for exemple:
Sephiroth world:"by entering this world,you agree to enter in an environement that will ask you lot of commitment,and we are not responsible for any harassment due to performance"
Chocobo world:" by entering this world you agree to enter in an environement where people do no want to be harassed over player performance,anyone violating this rule can be sentanced to ban"

Like this,people who wants good level go to hardmode world,and people who want to play chill go to the chill one,everyone is happy.

[Derio]

Because a game is well known for its community. If the community becomes toxic because of parsers, was it worth it to add it in the first place.

I think personal parses are fine, and for Ultimate group parsing is fine.

But there is a thin line where parsing can be used for harassment. Which can lead to a toxic community.

[Arrius]

Because a game is well known for its community. If the community becomes toxic because of parsers, was it worth it to add it in the first place

SE cracks down on harassment issues relatively well. So what else is to speak against if they remain as adamant as they are now when it comes to that?

[Jijifli]

Because a game is well known for its community. If the community becomes toxic because of parsers, was it worth it to add it in the first place.

The community doesn't "become toxic" because of a parser. Should I give you some examples? I once had a DRG in 3.1 get angry at me, to the point of harassing me after the dungeon, because I greeded tank gloves. Ya. Over some stupid gloves because he wanted them, but didn't say a word. Tell me what parser did that? Should I talk about the fc chest stealing? I wonder what parser does that. Or maybe emote spamming the chat since that's marked under harassment? What parser's making that happen?

Harassment already exists. Adding a parser won't increase it. Adding a parser instead lets us have info, and might actually make the toxicity DROP since some people that like to bark loudly and harass don't have numbers to back it up. If someone's screaming at a healer for not doing dps, but is last on the damage meter, we can make him shut up, but right now if we did that we'd be considered WORSE than that guy according to Square.

[Lord_Zlatan]

literally every other post has the word "toxic" and/or harrassment in it.

Do that many people really not want to play a class well that they arent willing to listen to criticism? Also criticism =/= harassment. There should be open dialogue between party members. Also, considering we can play every class on one character the whole "My alt is a MNK i know what im talking about" doesnt apply, as u can check their profile. Maybe the level 70 actually could help you >.>

[LadyKairi]

I know it's anecdotal, but people who say that recount was a problem, I could say that all the years I played WoW (vanilla til WoD) I never encountered anything negative in regards to recount. I even dabbled in the raiding scene. The only harassment I saw was people yelling at others to execute mechs properly, and some situations in shout chat where people kinda talked down women and "HA! Girls don't play wow".

[Umbrix_Darkfire]

O2S run going very well, despite a mistake from a tank that did get all dps killed we completed this way before the enrage.

Warrior of the group who was all the time talking about his precious dps and fflogs getting the faulty tank kicked, as well as 3 dps because "shit the rest of you".



Elitist jerks and toxicity aren't gonna be a problem if SE add a parse to the game... yeah right

Damage meters in games can increase elitism and toxicity, though I think we should be able to see how we have performed and this should only be visible by our own eyes, even if it's only a rating based on stars. My 2 cents.