This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Raikki]

For a new player that just hit 70 and done all content except savage, it is cruel that he/she are likely to be kicked/blacklisted after few attempts because of the poor design of the game. I've met some players doing abysmal DPS on savage and I believe most of them don't even know. SSS dummy fight is far from enough for meeting DPS check in real fight, not to mention that the fight isn't even gated behind SSS.

I have mixed feelings on this because even if the game does a poor job of teaching this stuff there ARE ample resources out there that will at least help get people to an acceptable level. People who want to play well can take the initiative to seek out the information they're missing.

A lot of those people who are doing things wrong in savage are confrontational and rude when any attempt is made to push them in the correct direction. I've seen PLDs explode in anger when told that they're expected to OT, a RDM argue over giving up a melee positional spot on O3S, etc. I don't believe it's simply a lack of availability of knowledge, but a lack of desire to change and adapt in their gameplay.

[KaldeaSahaline]

Enrage timers exist so you cant outsustain a boss to beat it. You have a time frame you need to beat the boss in. If you reach enrage, it means one of those 3 factors are in play. And as for steering clear, it does not appear they have to, as they themselves have not added it to the game. They must either see the negatives of parsers being more prevalent than the positives, or that the issue is not that big for them to add it in in the first place.

Again, its a QoL that people want one. Not a necessity. And that QoL is not one SE wants to hand over readily for some reason. This could very well be SE telling the player base parsers arent necessary to beat content, but people are to reliant on them possibly as a crutch? I dont know, speculating there.

To be fair though, SE also thought:

1) Diadem was good
2) Diadem 2.0 was good
3) LoV was good
4) Gordias was tested and tuned well
5) WAR was good in early ARR and PLD was good in HW
6) Eureka would be out in a timely manner

I could keep going, but I hope you get my point. They aren't impervious to being wrong, so when they say parsers would be bad (whether explicitly or implicitly), it's hard for me to trust their judgment without reproach.

I have mixed feelings on this because even if the game does a poor job of teaching this stuff there ARE ample resources out there that will at least help get people to an acceptable level. People who want to play well can take the initiative to seek out the information they're missing.

A lot of those people who are doing things wrong in savage are confrontational and rude when any attempt is made to push them in the correct direction. I've seen PLDs explode in anger when told that they're expected to OT, a RDM argue over giving up a melee positional spot on O3S, etc. I don't believe it's simply a lack of availability of knowledge, but a lack of desire to change and adapt in their gameplay.

Personally speaking - I have NO data to back this up - If parsers were implemented and harassment appropriately punished as it is now, I see more pros than cons.

We've seen in it this very thread where a player was like "you know I didn't care before, but I decided to try it out and WoW I had no idea I was so bad". I've already improved X% and am working on going even further!"

Alternatively, I imagine if I was a bad/ignorant player and I consistently saw myself at the bottom of the food chain, I'd do something to fix it. NO one wants to be the bottom. They'll either fix it, or leave. When faced with that option here's what I see:

1) They'll fix it by getting better, be it asking mentors, FC mates, outside of game research, etc.

2) They'll fix it by sticking with people they know where performance isn't expected and they're personal issues are known and accommodated.

3) They'll leave the game.

1 is good, 2 is good, and 3 is unfortunate. I PERSONALLY believe that if they're that pressed to leave the game over something like this, it's incredibly likely they weren't going to stick around anyway.

Again, no data, mere feelings. Open to discussion/dissection/etc.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

I have mixed feelings on this because even if the game does a poor job of teaching this stuff there ARE ample resources out there that will at least help get people to an acceptable level. People who want to play well can take the initiative to seek out the information they're missing.
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One resource if examined and time taken to apply it in a logical manner should provide a fairly solid basis for a job's rotation....
The tooltips.

I'm pretty sure I could, if given a new job and time to logic my way through the tooltips, come up with a passable rotation.
Of course, I'm not going to come up with the most optimal use of cooldowns, but the basic rotations aren't that difficult for the most part.

[KarstenS]

Elitist jerks and toxicity aren't gonna be a problem if SE add a parse to the game... yeah right

So you take an already existing problem as something the game will get with a parser?

[Ayer2015]

So you take an already existing problem as something the game will get with a parser?

It will just make it even worse.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It will just make it even worse.

Highly debatable. People who are jerks will continue to be jerks regardless of a parse. In fact, they already use ACT to bully but just are careful to avoid mentioning numbers.

[Nedkel]

Highly debatable. People who are jerks will continue to be jerks regardless of a parse. In fact, they already use ACT to bully but just are careful to avoid mentioning numbers.

We just recently had a thread from a player from world of wacraft saying, he appreciate how community is so much less toxic.
Guess why.
Keyword "recount".

[Lilseph]

We just recently had a thread from a player from world of wacraft saying, he appreciate how community is so much less toxic.
Guess why.
Keyword "recount".

Same thing than any poster here. One player isn't a valid representation of the whole community/state of the game. He might have left because of the Recount, but that's his personal reason. I can say, as an ocassional WoW player, that Recount has never been an issue for me. Even after using a jump potion of Legion after years of not playing, people were understanding with my lack of tanking capabilities and provided hints and guides. So, this evens out, right?

And that's only bringing the "parser" jerks. You have many types of jerks around either casual, midcore and hardcore players will be jerks on its own way. Like our SAM last night in O2S, people made a mistake with the push back mechanic and he started spreading poison "DID U GUIS GET CARRIED THRU O4S OR WUT??!" (even though he barely was doing the same DPS than our tanks, so he wasn't a parser jerk). People asked him to chill, he didn't. The error got addressed and the SAM got kicked because of his attitude. Run a dungeon, don't do an unncessary strat with a boss that can easily be cheessed through and have people rage at you for not doing it. Go hunt and pull, you'll be yelled at for "early pulling"; receiving nasty tells that involve your mother and potentially other family members. Queue up for any PvP mode. I don't know, these are a couple of examples.

[Deithwen]

We just recently had a thread from a player from world of wacraft saying, he appreciate how community is so much less toxic.
Guess why.
Keyword "recount".

Indeed, feedback from one player should be able to sum up all Wow player's experience...

I know many wow players who never complained about parsers, does it make it relevant ? no, because those are anecdotes.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

We just recently had a thread from a player from world of wacraft saying, he appreciate how community is so much less toxic.
Guess why.
Keyword "recount".

Its not a coincidence that many mmorpgs are just punishing or prohibiting using addons like these.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

Shall I rebuke your opinion with, ironically, a separate article from the same website? And would you look at that. The very first recommendation they make is to "not fear the damage meter." It's almost like opinion pieces aren't a good source of evidence.

Actually, they don't. FFXIV is among the very few MMOs that doesn't relay information to the player whatsoever in regards to numbers, or allow third party access. This extends to even basic things like exact Crit percentage increases. Blade and Soul tells you precisely the impact it will have on your damage whereas FFXIV hides it behind a nebulous number we have to use ACT to decipher.