This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Elkanah]

Boop

Exactly. You're someone who knows and understands your job, the content and does their homework. I ask these questions, as many who I've asked the above to, have not met the requirements or criteria's. They DON'T know their jobs. They DON'T do any research (first couple weeks are obviously hit/miss on new content release). Most of these type of players have the same mindset of "you don't pay my sub, I'll play however I want to", which is just as much a problem in the community as this discussion. There's 8 players in an instance, and everyone still needs to do their part in terms of damage, best or not. Parser helps (I say helps), to find out the issue in dps from all players. Especially classes that are on the top of the board for endgame. Though, as many had pointed out, it's not necessary as you can beat the content without it, it's strongly advocated for (some) not all players in the community.

[Vanitas]

47 pages later and the general consensus is that bad players will continue to be bad while good players and potentionally good players want the visual means to improve themselves.

[RichardButte]

Elitist jerks and toxicity aren't gonna be a problem if SE add a parse to the game... yeah right

Elitist jerks with a DPS meter: "KICK THAT PLAYER BECAUSE THEIR DPS IS TERRIBLE!"

Elitist jerks without a DPS meter: "KICK THAT PLAYER BECAUSE THAT CLASS' DPS IS TERRIBLE ACCORDING TO FFLOGS!"

Can we stop pretending like elitist jerks are NOT going to be elitist jerks, just because they lack an accurate means of assigning blame?

[Legion88]

Elitist jerks with a DPS meter: "KICK THAT PLAYER BECAUSE THEIR DPS IS TERRIBLE!"

Elitist jerks without a DPS meter: "KICK THAT PLAYER BECAUSE THAT CLASS' DPS IS TERRIBLE ACCORDING TO FFLOGS!"

Can we stop pretending like elitist jerks are NOT going to be elitist jerks, just because they lack an accurate means of assigning blame?

You forgot: "KICK THAT PLAYER BECAUSE THAT CLASS IS NOT PART OF THE META!"

[akaneakki]

You forgot: "KICK THAT PLAYER BECAUSE THAT CLASS IS NOT PART OF THE META!"

Speed runs--/-- normal farm.

[Lilseph]

Elitist jerks with a DPS meter: "KICK THAT PLAYER BECAUSE THEIR DPS IS TERRIBLE!"

Elitist jerks without a DPS meter: "KICK THAT PLAYER BECAUSE THAT CLASS' DPS IS TERRIBLE ACCORDING TO FFLOGS!"

Can we stop pretending like elitist jerks are NOT going to be elitist jerks, just because they lack an accurate means of assigning blame?

PS4 elitist jerk:



Relying on his PC elitist jerk friend.

[Vhailor]

Look, in yonder days with games like FFXI, accountability was handled naturally. If a player sucked, they wouldn't gain XP as fast, they'd struggle to level, and if they were bad enough, groups would stop inviting them (or a BLM would Warp II them without warning). Because there wasn't a Duty Finder, because there was no cross-world partying, people had to be somewhat careful not make so many mistakes that word got around. The harshness of the game world and death penalties also imposed significant incentives for improvement.

In FFXIV, this doesn't happen. You don't need to worry at all about your reputation in any context outside of a Static; there's absolutely no challenge posed by the overworld or standard dungeons to force improvement; there are no real penalties for crappy solo play. The only incentive is getting forcibly removed from groups via kick-votes. That's what keeps tanks somewhat honest, and it's what keeps healers somewhat honest; do a bad job there, cleave the group repeatedly, let people die all the time, and you'll be removed from the party.

For damage dealers, on the other hand, there's no easy way to check this. Unless someone's paying attention via 3rd-party utilities, or is familiar enough with the job and paying attention enough to know the player's rotation is awful, bad damage dealers simply don't stand out enough, especially in larger groups.

That has to be fixed. Maybe it's not through a parse, per se; SE could introduce certain status icons that indicate how well someone's executing their standard combos, keeping their DoT spells up, and dodging AoE mechanics. Do a bad job, it turns red; do a good job, it's green; yellow for average. Maybe the solution is a parser. I don't know. But what I do know is that there has to be some mechanism introduced that alerts a party to poor damage dealers. That's not elitism - it's simply expecting people to do their job, and do it properly.

[Elkanah]

(or a BLM would Warp II them without warning).

I can confirm this, because I was a BLM in those days of yonder with Warp II. Those were the days. lol. Also making gil from it too once in awhile.

[akaneakki]

Look, in yonder days with games like FFXI, accountability was handled naturally. I

Man I miss those days so much

[Guulu]

I would say parsing is necessary for progressing savage content just because there IS an enrage timer and the game fails to tell you that if you are ready for it. The enrage timer on extreme is basically none existing now and 4 men/24 men contents just require some knowledge for mechanics. For a new player that just hit 70 and done all content except savage, it is cruel that he/she are likely to be kicked/blacklisted after few attempts because of the poor design of the game. I've met some players doing abysmal DPS on savage and I believe most of them don't even know. SSS dummy fight is far from enough for meeting DPS check in real fight, not to mention that the fight isn't even gated behind SSS.

IMO, not having a parser is what breeds toxicity in this game. Imagine you are a player that finally finished the savage tier after months of pugging. One day you are farming O2S but somehow being told your DPS is low and asked to leave. What would be your first thought? I need to get better? probably not. It's more than likely that you think those players are elitist that ruining the game by parsing. But the thing you don't know is that you've been carried through the whole tier without knowing it. And suddenly stating the fact is considered a toxic behavior even though you are the one ruining others' experience. In this case the guy is lucky to get the clear. There are more people that are still struggling to clear the content without knowing that they are the reason for enrage. What will these people think when they see so many groups clear each week but theirs. They might straight out quit doing the content, even the game. Or potentially become toxic toward everyone struggling on the content easier than he is doing, even the people haven't seen enrage on same content. Isn't it sad how these happen just because the game doesn't inform you of such important thing?

However, for those who know their damage is bad but refuse to improve at all, you are the toxic one and you have no one but yourself to blame when you are booted for bad DPS. First, you think others are responsible for picking up your slack, if they refuse to do so they are getting reported/blacklisted. Secondly, why would you think others' are at fault for kicking you? You are kicked because SE allow players to do so. Blame SE for that. Lastly, SE granted the player the right to form the party they want and you know what kind of party you are joining beforehand. Blame yourself or SE.

DPS is absolutely not the most important factor in a raid. But dpsing is everyones job, when you are failing to meet the very basic requirement for the clear as your role, you deserve the kick in a clear/farm party. Again, that is not toxic, it is you that trying to ruin others' game experience and wasting their time. You should be paying their subs then, also, pay for their extra effort if they're not having fun. In OP's case, Healers and Tanks are carrying the group, a lot. If everyone is doing the DPS at OP's level, there will be no clear.

I saw some people think all us parsers want in party are speedrun level dps. I'd say that you are overestimating your skill and majority of players'. No one expect speedrun level dps in a farm party, they just expect "acceptable dps" for your ilvl. If you are kicked from farm party I can only assume that you are doing far, far, far from speedrun level dps.

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