This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Elkanah]

Ok, so you hit enrage, that immediately tells you a few possible likelyhoods:

1) Your group is undergeared
3) Your group DPS is to low due to people not understanding their classes.

#1 - Under geared, yes, I can understand.

#3 would indicate that yes, dps parsers would reflect this information

Yes, you can beat savage content without it, however, if Squeenix wants to steer clear from this as an issue for a whole, then either adding a parser to the game or eliminating the death time, would be the best solution for the content. Otherwise, this conversation will still be a continued issue for the ages, and has not changed since 2.0 endgame content.

I will also add that you're right, you don't need one. And can be done without one. For faster clearing on the content though, yes, advocating for an ingame parser, is what I would be doing. Or eliminating the death timer as a whole if that is the case.

[Melichoir]

Yes, you can beat savage content without it, however, if Squeenix wants to steer clear from this as an issue for a whole, then either adding a parser to the game or eliminating the death time, would be the best solution for the content. Otherwise, this conversation will still be a continued issue for the ages, and has not changed since 2.0 endgame content.

Enrage timers exist so you cant outsustain a boss to beat it. You have a time frame you need to beat the boss in. If you reach enrage, it means one of those 3 factors are in play. And as for steering clear, it does not appear they have to, as they themselves have not added it to the game. They must either see the negatives of parsers being more prevalent than the positives, or that the issue is not that big for them to add it in in the first place.

Again, its a QoL that people want one. Not a necessity. And that QoL is not one SE wants to hand over readily for some reason. This could very well be SE telling the player base parsers arent necessary to beat content, but people are to reliant on them possibly as a crutch? I dont know, speculating there.

[Sebazy]

So the point you should not be arguing is "We need this for savage content!" because you do not. You dont NEED a parser. You WANT a parser because its a QoL addition that will help you clear content EASIER.

Whilst we might not need parsers to beat Savage directly, do keep in mind that 'high end' play wouldn't be anything like as optimised or clear cut without the data gleaned from parsers at some point.

Would this be a big deal now given how watered down Savage is these days? Maybe not, but it'd certainly be a very significant impact on more dot centric jobs where a significant portion of your damage never makes it to the chat log.

[LalaRu]

...You dont NEED a parser. You WANT a parser...

These words are true gold.

[Sebazy]

These words are true gold.

The true gold here is when people with next to no raiding experience wade in on topics like this tbh.

And before I come across as being toxic or such, yes my comments are based on experience. My casual-midcore group for Gordias-Midas outright wouldn't have been able to clear A4S (and likely wouldn't have even gotten A3S) without the use of parsers to get us past the DPS barriers we faced. We didn't call people out and promptly kick them, rather we worked as a team to make DPS opportunities where we could with the skills we had.

[Tridus]

These words are true gold.

You don't NEED new content, glamour, housing, or inventory. You WANT those things.

Strictly speaking, you don't NEED this game to exist at all. Those words mean very little.

[jameseoakes]

You don't NEED new content, glamour, housing, or inventory. You WANT those things.

Strictly speaking, you don't NEED this game to exist at all. Those words mean very little.

well true but if they stopped adding any new content I think the game would die off pretty quickly

[KaivaC]

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No, Savage does NOT require FFlogs, that mindset is part of the reason why we still have this discussion going on. It helps tremendously, yes, and in many cases, it does say exactly where everyone's standing at. However, it is not a requirement. Take me for example - take my logs for example. Does this mean that I don't meet qualifications to do Savage? No. In fact, it's been quite a while since I've had a log uploaded. That doesn't mean that I'm holding anybody back. And I haven't been kicked or rained upon for my current logs. My logs are not representative of where I'm currently standing. Parsers should be an option, not a requirement outside of statics. No, let me change that - they should be a strong recommendation, but never a requirement.

[Elkanah]

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Quick question:
Do you do your homework on your rotations? Or do you just say "screw it" and just try your best without knowing anything about your job?
Do you do your homework for the savage content? OR just go in blind and not bother to ask questions to others in the community (in FC/LS/whatever) or talk with anyone about the content?
Are you someone who gets carried and has the "you don't pay my sub" mentality when it comes to harder content?

I ask these questions, as many who I've asked the above to, have not met the requirements or criterias. They DON'T know their jobs. They DON'T do any research (first couple weeks are obviously hit/miss on new content release). Most of these type of players have the same mindset of "you don't pay my sub, I'll play however I want to", which is just as much a problem in the community as this discussion. There's 8 players in an instance, and everyone still needs to do their part in terms of damage, best or not.

You can have a whole party with the maximum ilvl (since yoshi-p seems to think that's all it requires or best instead of best in slot), and still be okay, which is in fact the opposite. Otherwise, there'd be no point in endgame gear if stat weights didn't matter in terms of Crit/DH and Determination with food + overmelds. You can also try to beat the savage content with maximum ilvl in just the gear from tomes (no savage gear), fully melded and upgraded to 340 (or no melds), no wipes, and still be short on damage because stat weights play the same role as the player who understands their job, rotation and the boss mechanics.

I shall complete the answer with: Yes, I (myself) say it's a strong recommendation (your words), as opposed to being a requirement.

[KaivaC]

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1) Depends on how quickly I can figure out the job. I'm doing homework for SMN because that job outright confuses me, I haven't for AST as I feel like I've learned what I can do with the class without needing guides.

2) I started Savage when it was released, so there's that. And then spent a good month with randoms progging O3S, so I didn't bother with the other runs quite as much while I was learning that fight.

3) The only thing I needed to be carried on was the Warring Triad Ex at level 70, and that was because they were literally the only things holding back my mentor status, as well as me openly saying as such when I asked players to help me unlock it solely for mentor roulettes.