This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[odintius]

Do you really want to be that infamous player that everyone in your server know as baggage or do you want to be a player that everyone wants you around? I certainly prefer the option number 2.

Well with duty finder and cross servers the baggage you claim comes along with being a bad player doesn't happen anymore or have very little effect if any or we wouldn't be having this discussion. The paser option I wouldn't mind some would use it I would use it, but the game design itself also has blame to go around as well the learn curve is just as bad Imo.

[Inuk9]

Well with duty finder and cross servers the baggage you claim comes along with being a bad player doesn't happen anymore or have very little effect if any or we wouldn't be having this discussion. The paser option I wouldn't mind some would use it I would use it, but the game design itself also has blame to go around as well the learn curve is just as bad Imo.

Nobody do endgame content in Duty finder, other content it really doesn't matter if that one ninja is doing low DPS because the content is casual and you're playing with that person once and that's it.

But the issue here is people doing Savage fights weaving 6 oGCDs because they don't care about being carried in PF.

[odintius]

Nobody do endgame content in Duty finder, other content it really doesn't matter if that one ninja is doing low DPS because the content is casual and you're playing with that person once and that's it.

But the issue here is people doing Savage fights weaving 6 oGCDs because they don't care about being carried in PF.

Savage content is also used in cross server party finder which I put into the duty finder category, because you still don't know the party's skill level is until you enter which I think most people use. If it was all same sever then its most likely a static to begin with which you applied for and would become known for being bad pretty fast and this would have a larger impact on that player to get better if their serious about doing this type of content.

But for me I stop even bother with end game the reward structure is boring to me too even bother mostly play story know and then go play eso or swtor this game to vertical for my taste. /Shrugs

[Silica-chan]

And btw, getting better in a game is the fun part. That is how games are made for after all.

Games are made to have fun that's true BUT the way you make them fun for YOU is not necessarily the same I do make them fun for ME.

You enjoy getting good at it? Fine by me I won't stop you. But stop telling people how they have to enjoy their games. This goes for both sides though.

[AxlStream]

The problem about the low performing players will resolved itself eventually. As the decent players will fall more and more into statics or avoid PF as much as possible, the players used to being carried will be stuck with one another with no player to carry them. I helped that myself this patch as I was so sick of it, I didn't use PF at all for the whole duration of 4.1.

[Elkanah]

Any content outside of Savage, does not require a parser. Savage content requires FFLOGS or Parsing to see where your DPS is at for each DPS/Tank/Healers to clear that savage content you're wiping to.

The reason I say ONLY endgame, is because of the fact that the endgame bosses have a wipe timer. If we took away the wipe timer, and it was just a matter of repeating mechanics, it wouldn't be a big deal because you could kill it in 40min and be okay. But since the timer is shortened to 11-14min on savage, parsing is a factor that needs to be played into the groups overall dps. I don't think I've had to kick too many bad players with low dps, but if you're not willing to put in the effort for the content and raising your damage, then you're slowing our group down.

I can understand that not many people want to think of this as a second job, and I can agree with that. I don't either, but I know that if I do content not suited for most people, I'm gonna get serious about it and make sure I'm doing damn good. And would rather feel achieved with a good group who understands mechanics, dodges and prevents death, but also knows clearing the floor level and not being carried. I hate carrying people who don't know what they're doing lol.

If you're not willing to put in the time and effort for the savage content and endgame stuff, then don't play it. If you expect hand outs, then you're gonna get chewed out (by someone) in the group or lead. Play with your friends if it's such a big issue. But otherwise, don't play the content that's not suited for casual play, if you feel you're not wanting to put in the effort that 7 others are also trying to do as well. It's a group effort piece of content. Not a single solo duty. Per Terms of Service, kicking players for slowing down the play and disrupting play for 7 other people is legal to kick.

The guy on the original post is a douchecanoe. You'll see that often. Just gotta get past those people though. There's always gonna be a bunch of those no matter the game.

[akaneakki]

Any content outside of Savage, does not require a parser. Savage content requires FFLOGS or Parsing to see where your DPS is at for each DPS/Tank/Healers to clear that savage content you're wiping to.e.

That's what we been saying all along. The boss has a wipe timer. I don't care if someone is bad in dungeons, unless they are super bad and it's like playing on a level 50/60 standar, then that's another thing. when you are lvl 70. However you have to be very special to be bad in dungeons, because it all just requires 2-3 buttons to aoe . Also the guy on the screenshot on the picture never mentioned parser, he also posted in this thread and explain what happened. Some people won't read through the thread, which is understandable, but however... the guy never mentioned parser or kicked the MCH lol

[Lilseph]

Any content outside of Savage, does not require a parser. Savage content requires FFLOGS or Parsing to see where your DPS is at for each DPS/Tank/Healers to clear that savage content you're wiping to.

Yes, that'd be correct, but on a superficial level, it also helps anywhere else. But imo, say you're practicing a job out. You might want to run it through dungeons either for gear/leveling purposes or ex primals. The parser under these conditions would help you to start tunning your rotation in order to achieve a decent level of profiency. Same with sitting in a training dummy. You don't want to learn your job during raid, that's for sure.

It's a guide, extra data never hurts. Now if people DEMAND certain degree of DPS, well, that's up to them. Right off the top of my head "skip soar or disband", you can filter the poor performers instead of trashing the whole group because one or more people. If people are farming primals, they want to do it the fastest way possible and that requires players that are good. inb4 people interpret this as "OMG PURFFFECT PLAY AGAIN YOU ELITIST". No *SLAPS* NO! "Good" as in "people that got their rotation down" and "know how to play their job" and "are not dead weight for the group", like the DPS on the OP's fflogs: Both the tanks and the healers were carrying the DPS in that group, do you think that's fair? but you already covered that when you spoke about its utility in raid content. However, I am sure this also happens in Ex trials, which you excluded.

The tool can be used completely or partially, depending on the content you're running. It's always amusing to measure your own performance and comparte it to the rest of the group. For better or worse, it's there.

[Salted]

Right off the top of my head "skip soar or disband", you can filter the poor performers instead of trashing the whole group because one or more people.

LOL skip soar or disband. In-game parser with showing average parses would have DEFINITELY helped there. Most of the groups I was in had decent dpses maybe lower than normal ilvl but their dps was good enough, and had MASSIVE tank or healer dps problems, but the DPS ALWAYS got blamed while tanks/healers were toxic. There were tanks hitting 1/4 of what they should be hitting (-1500 dps) or healers not even dpsing AT ALL that would call the DPS "shit" because they weren't skipping soar. Can't call them out because they'll ban you for mentioning their dps.

DPS is a GROUP responsibility, dps is just more responsible for it. Just like keeping hate is a GROUP responsibility the tank is just more responsible for it. You don't not pop diversion take hate or spam cure III take agro and not pop lucid, then call the tank "shit" .

[Melichoir]

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To play devil's advocate again here, No, you do not need a parser to beat Savage content.

Parsers it of itself has nothing to do with completing any boss mechanic. "But the enrage timer!!!!"

Ok, so you hit enrage, that immediately tells you a few possible likelyhoods

1) Your group is undergeared
2) Your group is taking to much damage or dying to mechanics to much to have proper damage output
3) Your group DPS is to low due to people not understanding their classes.

Now, pragmatically you should be able to easily tell if youre properly geared or not. You should also easily tell if youre group is taking to much damage or dying to often. So the only real 'unknown' is your damage output, which stems from knowing your class and rotations IF the other two are not a factor.

Parsers can help you identify which members of your group are not performing as well, but the parser in of itself does not have any bearing on the fight directly or indirectly.

You can beat savage content without one. It's not as easy, but you can. You could go into any Savage tier and do the fight without any parsers running and still clear it.

So the point you should not be arguing is "We need this for savage content!" because you do not. You dont NEED a parser. You WANT a parser because its a QoL addition that will help you clear content EASIER.