This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[JunseiKei]

Can always make your own party with a more relaxed standard.

Making your own party only side steps the problem without addressing it. This should absolutely not be a norm. Being a competent player, yes, but holding using a metric that is not officially supported by the game using a program that is in violation to the Terms of Service should not be looked the other way. This is the exact thing people say mention when they say only a "minority of people abuse parsers" while others say they want it for self improvement.

The fact that more PFs are popping up with these conditions is proving contrary to these statements.

[Moomba33]

Making your own party only side steps the problem without addressing it. This should absolutely not be a norm. Being a competent player, yes, but holding using a metric that is not officially supported by the game using a program that is in violation to the Terms of Service should not be looked the other way. This is the exact thing people say mention when they say only a "minority of people abuse parsers" while others say they want it for self improvement.

The fact that more PFs are popping up with these conditions is proving contrary to these statements.

Well, I guess you can technically report people with PF descriptions like that for using 3rd party tools.
I just don't really see it as a big deal as long as they aren't harassing anyone. Is wanting to play with others at a similar skill level abuse of a parser? We are talking about pre-mades in high end content and not picking on average players in the DF.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Making your own party only side steps the problem without addressing it. This should absolutely not be a norm. Being a competent player, yes, but holding using a metric that is not officially supported by the game using a program that is in violation to the Terms of Service should not be looked the other way. This is the exact thing people say mention when they say only a "minority of people abuse parsers" while others say they want it for self improvement.

The fact that more PFs are popping up with these conditions is proving contrary to these statements.

Setting aside the fact I have yet to see more than a handful of PFs ever requiring specific percentages. People are allowed to determine the parameters of their PF however they fancy. If they want specific experience, why is it any of your business? Given how abysmal PF groups have been, I cannot entirely fault people from wanting to restrict those with low percentages since that increases the odds they won't be able to farm. Even if FFlogs were banned entirely, these types of groups would just find another way to restrict players below a certain skill level from entering their parties. Or they would promptly kick players who underperformed. Being "good enough" is okay for some, not for others. That is their prerogative just as it is yours to avoid their parties or create your own.

Self improvement does not exclude people from wanting a certain degree of competency.

[HyoMinPark]

Seeing more and more PFs requiring certain ranks in FFlogs to join party. This is really starting to become an issue. If you've legitimately been able to clear the fight, there's no reason you should need a certain percentile.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, because I have seen no such parties. Care to provide some examples/screenshots?

[JunseiKei]

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, because I have seen no such parties. Care to provide some examples/screenshots?

Literally saw one up 5 minutes ago, but no, I don't have one to provide. Still, just because you don't look at certain times does not mean they don't exist. IE: Zurvan skip soar thing above from another post, at the time, many people said they never saw those parties while others did.

[akaneakki]

Literally saw one up 5 minutes ago, but no, I don't have one to provide. Still, just because you don't look at certain times does not mean they don't exist. IE: Zurvan skip soar thing above from another post, at the time, many people said they never saw those parties while others did.

Skipping soar wasn't hard, as long you did a decent opener you could. Honestly a majority of players who are laggin FAR behind playerbase, they do things in echo or either unsync farm because they could never do it when it was relevant. Same thing goes with skip soar, people want to skip mechanics they couldn't handle or some in the group couldnt. Skipping mechanics been a thing for many years in this game.

[HyoMinPark]

Literally saw one up 5 minutes ago, but no, I don't have one to provide. Still, just because you don't look at certain times does not mean they don't exist. IE: Zurvan skip soar thing above from another post, at the time, many people said they never saw those parties while others did.

I looked at PF right after reading your comment (and posting mine), and all I saw that was remotely close was a V1S PF that reads “parse”, and that’s about it (it’s actually still there, as of this posting). Others are standard “farm”, “farm, fast runs”, “farm, no doubles, know the fight” PFs. That all being said, PF leaders are allowed to make whatever requirements for their parties they want. I could make a “Miqo’te only” V4S farm and be allowed to do so. Such is the Party Finder. I would hardly use PFs advertising for speed runs or “purple or above” as some sort of griefing tactic, though.

[akaneakki]

Seeing more and more PFs requiring certain ranks in FFlogs to join party. This is really starting to become an issue. If you've legitimately been able to clear the fight, there's no reason you should need a certain percentile.

Speed logs and honestly why is it an issue? Why does it harm that some guy want high standars for his own PF? If I see someone underperform by far in my group, I have every right to kick him too. When I want to farm, I want people to understand they are clearly confident doing the content and doing good damage. Why would I open a PF and allow 3-4 wipes before a kill? Farm-/-Practice is 2 different things my friend.

If you feel like having 2-3 wipes and low dps and 100% enrage with few deaths, go for it, that's how you want to run farm groups so be it. If you are performing good, why would PF's like that bother you in the first place anyways.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, because I have seen no such parties. Care to provide some examples/screenshots?

They probably talk about speedlog PF's where they want certain percentile (most of them 85 or more) to join, to do even more in the speedlog kills. I've seen groups say high DPS but don't mention FFlogs, in fact those groups tends to be trap, consider the past few PF's I've been with ''high dps'' where the leader himself is under performing 30% below the rest.

Making your own party only side steps the problem without addressing it.

Why not? Why are we obligated to take anyone in the group?`If I want a group with cat girls, so be it. Or what about those 24 man raids full lalafel parties? You gonna tell them to include you too because you aren't a lalafel?

Making your own party only side steps the problem without addressing it. This should absolutely not be a norm. Being a competent player, yes, but holding using a metric that is not officially supported .

You know, party leader can do whatever he/she wants in their own group. I remember someone asked a GM if they would bann people if they had seller content PFs up across the data center or it's againts the rules, the GM simply said it's part of the game and they cannot force them to something else, other wise they restrict us with the gameplay we are offered. Same goes in PF with their own rules.

[JunseiKei]

Speed logs and honestly why is it an issue? Why does it harm that some guy want high standars for his own PF? If I see someone underperform by far in my group, I have every right to kick him too. When I want to farm, I want people to understand they are clearly confident doing the content and doing good damage. Why would I open a PF and allow 3-4 wipes before a kill? Farm-/-Practice is 2 different things my friend.

There is a difference between underperforming and people's perception of underperforming.

Here's an example: What do you feel about someone doing 4,300 DPS in v4s?

Also, you're all twisting what I am saying using hypothetical. I never once said we should accept "underperforming" players, but having unreasonable standards to people that can legitimately clear the fight (IE: not carried) is a problem. I'm also not talking about speedrunners - they actually exclude jobs because there are specific set ups to achieve what they want. Most PFs that want to speedrun label it as such. It is still an issue of misuse of a parser and a website that acts as a leaderboard to many a player and not a tool for self improvement.

Skipping soar wasn't hard, as long you did a decent opener you could. Honestly a majority of players who are laggin FAR behind playerbase, they do things in echo or either unsync farm because they could never do it when it was relevant. Same thing goes with skip soar, people want to skip mechanics they couldn't handle or some in the group couldnt. Skipping mechanics been a thing for many years in this game.

Never said skipping mechanics wasn't a thing in this game at all. My point was some people never saw parties that said skip soar while others did. (Even though killing Zurvan was pretty easy, even if you didn't skip soar.)

[akaneakki]

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You mentioned earlier that nobody should be restricted to do content as long they done it before. I JUST happened to be in a group not a long time ago (posted in this thread earlier) where I've had all the bad players at once and NO bonus.

When we progged first week and I died I did more dps than those who never die as ilvl 340 and they should still do more than what I did when they die 1 time too. Gear isn't going to magicaly make you a great dps.
https://imgur.com/rrl6vRk Look at the link.
This was today and the dps died once.. ONCE!!!! and look at the top, the warrior was doing most of the damage and this was a group of full 340. Explain to me why this is happening.
This was also an enrage btw.

2 times we got enrage 11% and 7%. Just because you done content, doesn't mean you haven't been carried. 4.2k in 04s is simply fine, doing 3.5k isnt however

Also, you're all twisting what I am saying using hypothetical. I never once said we should accept "underperforming" players

If you've legitimately been able to clear the fight, there's no reason you should need a certain percentile.

Pretty sure you did right there.