This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Dualgunner]

all because I was against parsing hahaha

winning!

Pro-parsers are the toxic people. They're the ones that ignore arguments against their position. Remember the narrative people, and forget this example of someone with blatant logical inconsistencies who, instead of addressing them, sidesteps them.

[HyoMinPark]

starting to make me laugh I would give you his name but its against the rules plus he could went to same zone as that person from cactuar but he said he doesn't wanna get in trouble for saying something.

Probably not the best thing to do. Since you are so against harassment, you probably shouldn’t go off and harass someone on your server over a simple forum discussion because you disagree with them.

Though all I could of done was say they were wrong and didn't let him touch the keyboard but instead I did and all of you are getting up in arms for nothing.

You can’t tell someone their opinions are wrong, by the way. Trying to use them as facts and a factual basis to fuel an argument? Maybe. But just stating them as such? No.

why should you improve that much to please random perfectionnists who are not even your friends or in your static?

Why do people keep insisting that people who parse are insisting on perfect play...

[Gleipni]

Here's my argument with what you just said - by the time you start hitting savage content, if you cannot execute your rotation while dodging the very obvious AOE markers that do show up in these fights (the ones that you have more than enough time to get out of the way of), then don't come into Savage and expect players to tolerate it. This is not so much about casuals in this game - I'm fine with that, because casuals have made FFXIV successful. However, while I don't expect perfection, I do expect a decent level of competence in Savage. By the by, essentially all of my clears on Savage and EX have come from random PUGs - and I clear a majority of the time without the anti-parser drama that I'm starting to think isn't as prevalent as some of these posters are trying to make it seem.

Amen,right on the point,thanks !

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I don't know what you mean with that meme, we are not all aware of it and the way it's used (just saw it was something about a mechanic of Zurvan Ex that could be skiped with enough dps).

Better learn to deal with the fact people are overall casual players in this game. Avoid playing with randoms the most you can. Some people can't even dodge big orange aoe on the ground. So don't ask them to be perfect at dps while they are focusing hard on dodging a mechanic when they certainly don't even would have a good rotation on a dummy. We proc with people from different servers we will never see again, so we have good chances to don't even see them after to talk and help in a meaningful way.

God forbid we want to hold players accountable. What terrible, awful people were are. Here's a novel idea, if you can't dodge giant orange markers, how about staying out of harder content? Why am I obligated to carry bad players just because they want to participate? Tanks and healers are not afforded the same luxury by virtue of their job. It's generally apparent when either role messes up. DPS, on the other hand, get a free pass unless someone watches their rotation or carefully words how they know their damage is abysmal. No one is asking for perfect, 95% DPS. We're asking for accountability and competency in harder content. If your damage is so low other players have to compensate for you, why is that fair?

[Fannah]

Bourne Endeavor :
My bad, I thought topic was about parsers only... but you all only talk about savage content... Don't put words in my mouth, thank you (hint : people don't only harass people for their dps in raids)
I never said you had to carry them, read better, that should be something you know how to do before even being good at savage content.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Bourne Endeavor :
My bad, I thought topic was about parsers only... but you all only talk about savage content... Don't put words in my mouth, thank you (hint : people don't only harass people for their dps in raids)
I never said you had to carry them, read better, that should be something you know how to do before even being good at savage content.

You said: "Some people can't even dodge big orange aoe on the ground. So don't ask them to be perfect at dps"

So where exactly did I put words in your mouth when your quote here is pure hyperbole? Apparently, expecting players to dodge AoEs and perform mechanics in Expert dungeon is too much now. I mean, those are your words, not mine.

[Dualgunner]

Bourne Endeavor :
My bad, I thought topic was about parsers only... but you all only talk about savage content... Don't put words in my mouth, thank you

It may be because the thread is a manufactured and false complaint about parser harassment in O2S that people are talking about savage.

[Fannah]

Yes, going in Savage expect people to be good or at least to aim for improvement. Casuals wanting to stay casual shouldn't get there.

As I said, it's only a problem if they are a burden in a meaningful way.

I meant if they are bringing enough dps for real, why should they improve overall? That's all I'm saying. Don't force people to be even better when they are good enough and don't want to get into more than what they did. Being above what's needed is already good. No need to be a god.

[KaivaC]

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As has been said multiple times by posters who have been in Eorzea for a couple years, literally nobody here in this thread is advocating that players, whether they be DPS, healer, or tank, be a god at this game. But I cannot for the life of me understand why, if casuals go into any high-end duty content, they won't look for areas of improvement? Why stay mediocre and drag on a fight (and believe me, a mediocre player does make a difference...that initial month against O1S when you didn't outgear him like we can now, a lot of groups needed every DPS they could squeeze out to avoid hitting enrage at 5%).

[Fannah]

No one get what I mean. Let's say that we have a Dragoon being harrased on a savage content, and the average to get as DRG is 1000 dps (just an exemple as Gleipni did). Let's imagine the Dragoon is doing 1200 (so 20% above what's expected) but his 3 other dps are doing 60% more than what is needed/expected from their classes. And they flame the dragoon for not being as good. That's all I'm saying. If you're good enough to clear the content (if all players was of your level of skill in the game) why should you improve that much to please random perfectionnists who are not even your friends or in your static?

Stop saying I say they should remain bad, come to savage content made for not casual players and that we should carry them.